The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]

[Byker28i]

Challo said:

HarryW said:

I don’t think Kane is as sharp or has the legs for 90 mins + at this level nowadays. I’d put him on the bench and bring him on later in the second half where he’d be more effective and still there for the penalty shoot outs.
Never been a fan of strikers being captain either, ergo I’d given Rice the captains arm band, always better that captain is midfield where he has a better view of the game.

Kane was and still is a top goal scorer. I have no issue with him playing as he will take his chances, but they need to play a system to help him.

If it's not working then take him off and play someone else.

The issue is Southgate won't play a system that helps him, or sub him when its not working or he is knackered

Allow Kane to drop play behind a younger player that sprints around, chases down, down the pressing. Kanes passing is probably the best in the team, plus can float in to strike, holds up the ball well. He's never been a fast player

[48k]

Gin and Ultrasonic said:

soupdragon1 said:

TEKNOPUG said:

soupdragon1 said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Blackpuddin said:

fourstardan said:

How the bookies put us still at odds on favourite is beyond me.

That is remarkable for sure.

It's a "book". The number of bets determine the odds. The bookies just create the opening odds, then the market determines how they change. The most bets placed in England, by English people, are on England to win........what a shock.

I expect if you looked at the odds from foreign betting firms they'd have different market favourites.

The bookies will lay their bets in those markets too, otherwise England would likely be odds on to win, rather than 4/1

The reason they are favourites is more simple. There are 5 teams who are considered strong contenders. England won't meet any of them unless they get to the final. So they aren't up against 4 strong teams, they are actually only up against 1. Of those 4 other strong teams, they'll all knock each other out before England get to play them. That's why England are favourites.

You're suggesting that people are placing bets based on logic and analytical reasoning. They aren't. It's people who only places bets on the Grand National or whether it will be a white Xmas, betting on who they want to win, not who they think will win. The odds are meaningless.

You've just taken the opposite interpretation of what I just said.

Betting markets are worldwide, even for UK only bookies. You'll get regional variations but not to the extent you described. Otherwise you get huge opportunities to beat the bookies via price arbitrage. England are favourites due to (a) having a good squad and (b) people across the globe betting as such and (c) having an easier path to the final. It's that simple.

England aren't odds on favourites at all - they are miles from being odds on??

He never said they were odds-on favourites, just favourites (which they are)

[Dave200]

TCEvo said:

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

I don't watch football other than the Euros and World Cup but even I thought that was an appalling display. The fact that Slovenia were congratulating each other for getting a draw at the end of the game says it all really.

As soon as we face a half decent team we are going to get absolutely destroyed.

Slovenia had qualified for the knock-out round for the first time in their history, tedious game aside they were rightly celebrating.

And they knew they had to park the bus to achieve it, hence England finding them so hard to break down.

[pavarotti1980]

Byker28i said:

Allow Kane to drop play behind a younger player that sprints around, chases down, down the pressing. Kanes passing is probably the best in the team, plus can float in to strike, holds up the ball well. He's never been a fast player

Shearer made this point on Rest is Football podcast. His legs went so Bobby Robson played Craig Bellamy as well to do all the running and let him concentrate on what he can

[TEKNOPUG]

pavarotti1980 said:

Byker28i said:

Allow Kane to drop play behind a younger player that sprints around, chases down, down the pressing. Kanes passing is probably the best in the team, plus can float in to strike, holds up the ball well. He's never been a fast player

Shearer made this point on Rest is Football podcast. His legs went so Bobby Robson played Craig Bellamy as well to do all the running and let him concentrate on what he can

He's played his whole career with Son/Gnabry/Sane to do the running. Managed 44 goals in 45 games last year. It couldn't be more obvious.

[epom]

TEKNOPUG said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Byker28i said:

Allow Kane to drop play behind a younger player that sprints around, chases down, down the pressing. Kanes passing is probably the best in the team, plus can float in to strike, holds up the ball well. He's never been a fast player

Shearer made this point on Rest is Football podcast. His legs went so Bobby Robson played Craig Bellamy as well to do all the running and let him concentrate on what he can

He's played his whole career with Son/Gnabry/Sane to do the running. Managed 44 goals in 45 games last year. It couldn't be more obvious.

Yep, but all those guys play for different countries

[coldel]

epom said:

Yep, but all those guys play for different countries

Bellers and Rice in the middle with Foden supporting Kane.

And a left midfielder playing left midfield.

[aeropilot]

coldel said:

epom said:

Yep, but all those guys play for different countries

Bellers and Rice in the middle with Foden supporting Kane.

And a left midfielder playing left midfield.

I think I'd still be looking at putting Wharton with Rice, and dropping Foden, and then swap Bellingham for Foden (or vice versa) as neccessary, and putting Gordon on the left.

[48k]

coldel said:

And a left midfielder playing left midfield.

Crazy talk

[philv]

Foden is the most creative player.
We need to play him in his best position and work from there.

Palmeer , Kane , saka
foden
Rice, Bellingham

[Portofino]

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

[pavarotti1980]

As above
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13572161/Phil-Foden-leaves-England-camp-Euro2024-family.html

[Radec]

Portofino said:

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

Looking forward to seeing Wharton play left wing now for the next experiment.

[Ankh87]

Portofino said:

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

Foden's mum - Look ere are Phil, you've been an embarrassment. Get yasen back ome now.
Phil Foden - OK mum.

[g4ry13]

Maybe Foden isn't as thick as he looks.

[coldel]

Radec said:

Portofino said:

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

Looking forward to seeing Wharton play left wing now for the next experiment.

No dont be daft

Wharton at left back, TAA left mid, and bring in Phillips just because he is irreplaceable.

[pavarotti1980]

Girlfriend about to have child number 3

[aeropilot]

Portofino said:

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

Birth of his 3rd child.

[57Ford]

I have a theory that he’s borrowed the velvet bags and numbered balls from the FA Cup draw.

The day will come:
“Ball number 4 - Jordan Pickford
plays in position….
Ball number 2 - Attacking Midfielder”

[57Ford]

aeropilot said:

Portofino said:

Foden has temporarily left the camp for a family matter

Birth of his 3rd child.

Labour surely can’t have been brought on by the excitement last night.

Best of luck to them all.