The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]
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I don't watch football other than the Euros and World Cup but even I thought that was an appalling display. The fact that Slovenia were congratulating each other for getting a draw at the end of the game says it all really.
As soon as we face a half decent team we are going to get absolutely destroyed.
As soon as we face a half decent team we are going to get absolutely destroyed.
The Hypno-Toad said:
sjc said:
And what on earth was the point in taking him if he’s not even getting in ahead of two players playing out of position.
As Gareth would say…
“Because it’s good for him to soak up the atmosphere of the squad at a competitive tournament as he stands a good chance of playing a major part of Englands future,”
fourstardan said:
Im seeing something deeper in this poor set of results.
Bellingham looks to be part of one of these deeper issues, it looks like he's come into this tournament after all the big move club wise, but reality is he's been a missing man and can't play in this system so has thrown his toys out the pram.
Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
These players have scored (the only goals), but come on, they have hardly been demonstrating world class effort/build up to score said goals have they?
He also lacks any decent wing movements, we havn't had inverted full back moves for the complete tournament right or left.
I do think Southgate has dug his own grave playing this same line up in attack for too long last night, Cole palmer changed situations yesterday, I'm not saying he is the answer but he seemed to do more than Saka managed for the previous amount of time.
How the bookies put us still at odds on favourite is beyond me.
Good points, but Bellingham and Kane have been super for their clubs. Either the system is wrong or they are. I’d say, given the lacklustre performances, it’s the system.Bellingham looks to be part of one of these deeper issues, it looks like he's come into this tournament after all the big move club wise, but reality is he's been a missing man and can't play in this system so has thrown his toys out the pram.
Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
These players have scored (the only goals), but come on, they have hardly been demonstrating world class effort/build up to score said goals have they?
He also lacks any decent wing movements, we havn't had inverted full back moves for the complete tournament right or left.
I do think Southgate has dug his own grave playing this same line up in attack for too long last night, Cole palmer changed situations yesterday, I'm not saying he is the answer but he seemed to do more than Saka managed for the previous amount of time.
How the bookies put us still at odds on favourite is beyond me.
On paper, we have an amazing attaching midfield and forwards, but are set up defensively. Score one then park the bus. The problem is, last night where at one point we had +70% possession, the team didn’t k ow what to do, there was no movement off the ball because they were set up defensively.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs famous for attacking football. Let them play how they need? Don’t let Kane drop back into midfield.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
I don't watch football other than the Euros and World Cup but even I thought that was an appalling display. The fact that Slovenia were congratulating each other for getting a draw at the end of the game says it all really.
As soon as we face a half decent team we are going to get absolutely destroyed.
Slovenia had qualified for the knock-out round for the first time in their history, tedious game aside they were rightly celebrating. As soon as we face a half decent team we are going to get absolutely destroyed.
I had somewhere to be after the game so I turned on Talksport in the car.
Either Stuart Pearce was:
a.) taking the piss.
b.) had taken too much cough medicine.
c.) had taken a blow to the head before the match.
d.) all 3.
“Signs of encouragement,”
“I was pleased with the 2nd half,”
“A good improvement over the previous game,”
Maybe he thinks he might have a job interview coming up soon.
Either Stuart Pearce was:
a.) taking the piss.
b.) had taken too much cough medicine.
c.) had taken a blow to the head before the match.
d.) all 3.
“Signs of encouragement,”
“I was pleased with the 2nd half,”
“A good improvement over the previous game,”
Maybe he thinks he might have a job interview coming up soon.
Pitre said:
allegro said:
All that passing sideways and backward with no penetration... it's like watching Man United 
Or Roy Hodgson's Palace. Sooooooo dull.
tshow that was England @ the 2016 World Cup, we also scored two goals in the Group stage. Let in four & finished bottom of the Group. fourstardan said:
Im seeing something deeper in this poor set of results.
Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
The system is the crux of the matter and Southgate trying to shoehorn players into positions they aren't comfortable in .Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
It's an issue we had years ago, trying to play Lampard and Gerrard in the same team which forced Scholes to play out of position.
The best 11 individuals don't always make the best team
The Hypno-Toad said:
I had somewhere to be after the game so I turned on Talksport in the car.
Either Stuart Pearce was:
a.) taking the piss.
b.) had taken too much cough medicine.
c.) had taken a blow to the head before the match.
d.) all 3.
“Signs of encouragement,”
“I was pleased with the 2nd half,”
“A good improvement over the previous game,”
Maybe he thinks he might have a job interview coming up soon.
Think his friendship with Garry might be clouding his view. I've lots of time for Pearce, but that take's nonsense. Either Stuart Pearce was:
a.) taking the piss.
b.) had taken too much cough medicine.
c.) had taken a blow to the head before the match.
d.) all 3.
“Signs of encouragement,”
“I was pleased with the 2nd half,”
“A good improvement over the previous game,”
Maybe he thinks he might have a job interview coming up soon.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Probably time to do a rotate before the quarters.
Bellingham > Palmer
Saka > Gordon
Trippier > Shaw.
They just like a bit tired.
Agree with the first 2 but Shaw shouldn't have been in the squad IMO, crazy decision. I'd change Trippier for Gomez. He's been good for the games Robbo was out and if we played Trent in right back then he could move across in a back 3 to cover. But we all know Southgate wouldn't want to play exciting attacking football and would rather have Kane come back into his own midfield to pass back to the defense.Bellingham > Palmer
Saka > Gordon
Trippier > Shaw.
They just like a bit tired.
Having watched a number of different teams/games now I can see a theme running. No one wants to go out at the first "group" stage and are therefore defensive minded. OK Germany put 5 past Scotland but other than that, there's been umpteen draws and very few goals.
GS is no different from the other managers/coaches. Now we're in the last 16 there'll be an upturn from every team as a draw or defeat is no good.
Feeding time for the unicorns will be at 5pm.
GS is no different from the other managers/coaches. Now we're in the last 16 there'll be an upturn from every team as a draw or defeat is no good.
Feeding time for the unicorns will be at 5pm.
Blackpuddin said:
fourstardan said:
How the bookies put us still at odds on favourite is beyond me.
That is remarkable for sure. Italy or Switzerland and likely Holland to get past first of course.....
extraT said:
Good points, but Bellingham and Kane have been super for their clubs. Either the system is wrong or they are. I’d say, given the lacklustre performances, it’s the system.
On paper, we have an amazing attaching midfield and forwards, but are set up defensively. Score one then park the bus. The problem is, last night where at one point we had +70% possession, the team didn’t k ow what to do, there was no movement off the ball because they were set up defensively.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs famous for attacking football. Let them play how they need? Don’t let Kane drop back into midfield.
We've all been saying the same on this thread for 4+ years. The media has said the same. Pundits say it. Play players to their strengths, get someone to support Kane to avoid him dropping back who's been doing it since Russia, play players in their best positions, drop ANYONE who isn't perofrming... blah, blah, blah. It's useless and it's pointless. I think I've got to the point where hearing it time and again on here is actually becoming annoying because it makes sense to so many to just try a different approach, a different set-up especially against teams that put 10 men behind the ball and sit but you've got someone who is scared of change, risk-averse and a politician.On paper, we have an amazing attaching midfield and forwards, but are set up defensively. Score one then park the bus. The problem is, last night where at one point we had +70% possession, the team didn’t k ow what to do, there was no movement off the ball because they were set up defensively.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs famous for attacking football. Let them play how they need? Don’t let Kane drop back into midfield.
One rigid approch for all seasons using the same old favourites.
aeropilot said:
Blackpuddin said:
fourstardan said:
How the bookies put us still at odds on favourite is beyond me.
That is remarkable for sure. Italy or Switzerland and likely Holland to get past first of course.....
Bluevanman said:
fourstardan said:
Im seeing something deeper in this poor set of results.
Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
The system is the crux of the matter and Southgate trying to shoehorn players into positions they aren't comfortable in .Kane is also now becoming a detriment to England. He again has had a big move going well and can't play around these other players in this system.
It's an issue we had years ago, trying to play Lampard and Gerrard in the same team which forced Scholes to play out of position.
The best 11 individuals don't always make the best team
How refreshing.....
extraT said:
Good points, but Bellingham and Kane have been super for their clubs. Either the system is wrong or they are. I’d say, given the lacklustre performances, it’s the system.
On paper, we have an amazing attaching midfield and forwards, but are set up defensively. Score one then park the bus. The problem is, last night where at one point we had +70% possession, the team didn’t k ow what to do, there was no movement off the ball because they were set up defensively.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs famous for attacking football. Let them play how they need? Don’t let Kane drop back into midfield.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs that play front foot football, that have well drilled well set up teams with players in positions they are trained to play in.On paper, we have an amazing attaching midfield and forwards, but are set up defensively. Score one then park the bus. The problem is, last night where at one point we had +70% possession, the team didn’t k ow what to do, there was no movement off the ball because they were set up defensively.
Kane and Bellingham play for clubs famous for attacking football. Let them play how they need? Don’t let Kane drop back into midfield.
Southgate kept all of us, including probably his own players, guessing as to what on earth he was going to throw out there come tournament time. And lo and behold he has Foden wedged into the team out of position, TAA as well.
Its clear as day that the team isn't drilled, isn't prepared, and isn't functioning. Gary Neville said it last night, it is basic, there is no fluidity no pass and move.
Kane has also drastically slowed down as a player, that cross to the back post, two years ago he would have poked away. We see an equally lethal Kane when he has the ball at his feet but his game is slower and different, we cannot keep playing the same way expecting him to be that goalscorer, last night we were begging for him to be replaced it was obvious he wasn't functioning as a striker.
greygoose said:
allegro said:
All that passing sideways and backward with no penetration... it's like watching Man United
lol, wonder if the United board are looking at what Rangnick has done with Austria and thinking they made an error?Rather than take that advice they sacked him.
SJR at least understood what he is saying and trying to make those changes now.
That Austria team is all out press and full of running. Shows what a team can do when everyone buys in to the process and you have some tactics to work with.
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