The Official Scottish Football Thread (Vol. 2)

[JuniorD]

The BBC stats and the commenators say Scotland had no shots on target. I distinctly remember a shot where the Hungarian keeper made save. Talk about an injustice!

[J6542]

OldPal said:

Hopefully the end of Steve Clarke, an absolute dinosaur of a manager.

Two tournaments and two woeful showings. Looking at similar and smaller sized countries and they have put on way better showing.

Careful what you wish for, because the man who they will replace him with is in the bbc studio.

[GloverMart]

JuniorD said:

The BBC stats and the commenators say Scotland had no shots on target. I distinctly remember a shot where the Hungarian keeper made save. Talk about an injustice!

Right near the end that was, Grant Hanley's effort.

[Jader1973]

Oh well…although it is hardly unexpected.

The question is how does it get better? Changing the manager won’t make any difference if the best players they have to choose from are still ste.

[SWoll]

GloverMart said:

Agree with you on both points. They've just re-run the penalty incident several times and Armstrong gets a knee in the calf from the defender, a stonewall pen.

He gets a knee in the calf as he slows down and sticks his leg out looking for contact. Classic striker trick, Jamie Vardy was always especially good at it.

[GloverMart]

SWoll said:

GloverMart said:

Agree with you on both points. They've just re-run the penalty incident several times and Armstrong gets a knee in the calf from the defender, a stonewall pen.

He gets a knee in the calf as he slows down and sticks his leg out looking for contact. Classic striker trick, Jamie Vardy was always especially good at it.

That's a penalty then!

[Se7enheaven]

A diabolical campaign. Scotland got exactly what they deserved from this tournament, which is SFA . The usual token joke team in the competition at least proving they are consistent on that front.

[JuniorD]

SWoll said:

GloverMart said:

Agree with you on both points. They've just re-run the penalty incident several times and Armstrong gets a knee in the calf from the defender, a stonewall pen.

He gets a knee in the calf as he slows down and sticks his leg out looking for contact. Classic striker trick, Jamie Vardy was always especially good at it.

That's what I thought. If only he had chosen to take a shot rather than take a chance of getting a penalty

[malks222]

Jader1973 said:

Oh well…although it is hardly unexpected.

The question is how does it get better? Changing the manager won’t make any difference if the best players they have to choose from are still ste.

i’m in 2 minds over this too, but thinking objectively, I think clarke has run his course. and I take nothing away from him, I would say he has been one of our best managers, he’s turned the team around, qualified for 2 major tournaments, he’s got the country backing the national team again, and willing (expecting!!!) performances.

but I think he’s shown that tactically he’s too naive, we’ve been reluctant to make changes when things aren’t going our way. sticks with the same formula regardless of who/ where we’re playing. in the last 12 games, we’ve managed 1 win and that was against gibraltar!! the last euros we were poor, these euros we’ve been poor- germany something was wrong with the basic set up that gave germany a free pass to do what they want, ok swiss game was prob a result, but then tonight, needing a win, we go out on a whimper, after 80mins of nothingness.

I don’t know what the options are as a replacement, I dont have any favourites that i’d like to see take it. If he stays on, i’ll not complain, but i think it’s time for a change, and clarke can be remembered as the manager who got us back and had us believing again!

[OldPal]

J6542 said:

Careful what you wish for, because the man who they will replace him with is in the bbc studio.

Actually think moyes would be a good fit for Scotland , can’t say I’ve watched a lot of West Ham in recent times but a European trophy and couple of top half finishes is not bad for them.

It surely couldn’t be any worse than Clarke tbh

[Zolvaro]

GloverMart said:

SWoll said:

GloverMart said:

Agree with you on both points. They've just re-run the penalty incident several times and Armstrong gets a knee in the calf from the defender, a stonewall pen.

He gets a knee in the calf as he slows down and sticks his leg out looking for contact. Classic striker trick, Jamie Vardy was always especially good at it.

That's a penalty then!

I thought he went early and was offside, surely they checked that first and then it didn't matter what happened after.

[GloverMart]

Zolvaro said:

GloverMart said:

SWoll said:

GloverMart said:

Agree with you on both points. They've just re-run the penalty incident several times and Armstrong gets a knee in the calf from the defender, a stonewall pen.

He gets a knee in the calf as he slows down and sticks his leg out looking for contact. Classic striker trick, Jamie Vardy was always especially good at it.

That's a penalty then!

I thought he went early and was offside, surely they checked that first and then it didn't matter what happened after.

Yep, that may well have been the case but why not communicate that to everyone watching? Would stop a lot of the abuse that came afterwards if everyone knew where they stood. But no, far easier to keep it all quiet and not let anyone know.

[Alickadoo]

The thing I don't understand is why the Scots are going home?

Why don't they stay on and support England?

After all, we are all British, aren't we?

[Don Veloci]

Meh, I saw no lion rampant, I saw kittens chasing a laser pen.

Can credit Clarke with inventing his Dykes system - which needs Dykes available and on form. Che can't and could never do it. I don't like Che anywhere near the squad. Do something different around Shankland and/or do something different.

A tight first half is fine but why not go at it differently and aggressively straight from the second half start, catch them cold, lift the crowd, and go out on shields if it doesn't work.

[Arrivalist]

Alickadoo said:

The thing I don't understand is why the Scots are going home?

Why don't they stay on and support England?

After all, we are all British, aren't we?

[freedman]

Re the non penalty

I think it could have gone either way, and every Englishman would be saying it was a penalty if it involved Kane or Bellingham (IM0) or imagine that being Jota at Anfield (or any other ground he dives on regularly) Im pretty sure its given

However, as nothing was given we never got to see a proper check on screen, but I'm pretty confident he was offside anyway.

Edited by freedman on Monday 24th June 09:53

[CivicDuties]

CivicDuties said:

Germany 3-1 Scotland

Switzerland 2-0 Scotland

Hungary 1-1 Scotland.

The usual.

I ardently hope I'm wrong.

This aged fairly well. Just got Swiss/Hungary defeat/draw the wrong way round, and undercooked the humping from Germany. 1 point predicted, 1 point obtained.

Miserable.

Edited by CivicDuties on Monday 24th June 11:29

[Derek Smith]

Alickadoo said:

The thing I don't understand is why the Scots are going home?

Why don't they stay on and support England?

After all, we are all British, aren't we?

I support all home nations, but see myself and English despite being half Irish. I support Wales if neither of my inherited teams are playing. But not Scotland.

It's to do with policing football crowds. If England beat Ireland or Wales, I never had any problems with the supporters, and I policed a lot of football back in the day. Scotland seemed to be trouble whether they won or drew. They were like Liverpool supporters. Always aggravation.

I'm mainly rugby, and I returned from Twickenham by underground from a match we - England - had won against the Welsh, and it was a thoroughly entertaining journey. They were singing. All the damn way. I'd take my wife and kids to see an England match against Wales or Ireland. I went to one Scotland match, and a mate and I felt it best to wait an hour or so to return following some uncomfortable experiences on the way out.

It irritates me. I feel I should support them as much as the other HN teams.

[CivicDuties]

Derek Smith said:

Alickadoo said:

The thing I don't understand is why the Scots are going home?

Why don't they stay on and support England?

After all, we are all British, aren't we?

I support all home nations, but see myself and English despite being half Irish. I support Wales if neither of my inherited teams are playing. But not Scotland.

It's to do with policing football crowds. If England beat Ireland or Wales, I never had any problems with the supporters, and I policed a lot of football back in the day. Scotland seemed to be trouble whether they won or drew. They were like Liverpool supporters. Always aggravation.

I'm mainly rugby, and I returned from Twickenham by underground from a match we - England - had won against the Welsh, and it was a thoroughly entertaining journey. They were singing. All the damn way. I'd take my wife and kids to see an England match against Wales or Ireland. I went to one Scotland match, and a mate and I felt it best to wait an hour or so to return following some uncomfortable experiences on the way out.

It irritates me. I feel I should support them as much as the other HN teams.

I've experienced similar with Welsh rugby fans. I have been made to feel deeply uncomfortable several times, and I've never come across such bitterness and unwarranted, aggressive gloating and sense of unwarranted, innate superiority in any other cohort. I'll support any home nation except Wales as a result. I think Scotland fans nowadays, whilst accepting there are always some idiots in any given crowd of fans be it rugby or football, are generally the best of the bunch. Yes, back to the 70s/80s, Scotland football crowds were poorly behaved. In the context of all fans globally now though, they are exemplary.

For the record I have Scottish, Welsh, English and Maltese heritage.

[coldel]

My best mate is Scottish, and despite what the majority of Scots say he actually cheers on my England as much as I cheer on Scotland.
Would rather either team beat anyone else - I know the patriotism jumps in etc. but we have good bants and I am gutted this morning Scotland lost out.

But I do think they deserved nothing from that game.

You dont need a team full of superstars to try and win a game against a team that is no better than you are. Scotland if anything looked like they had the making of this poor Hungarian side when in possession but never got bodies in the box nor tested the keeper from distance.

I think Clarke looked like a lost sheep on the sidelines, just wandering about hoping (very southgate like) that somehow with no plan in mind, that the players produce 'something' that wins the game.

What I am reading as well is that some fans are calling for Moyes, which is a complete joke. You cant want 'dour boring defensive' Clarke out and call for Moyes, Moyes is a carbon copy of Clarke who has an even worse blame-all-except-himself attitude to not winning games.