The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
Discussion
Challo said:
I think this transfer window should give an insight into how INEOS wants to work, and what type of players they are going for and the fees they are willing to pay.
For me we need the following:
2 Centre Back
1 Left Back
1 Striker
2 Centre Midfielders
It’s a big ask to find 6 players who will meet the standards we want. Even if we did, would there be much change from £500m for established players? When you’ve got a player like Branthwaite who has just completed his debut season (excluding the off appearance pre loan) being touted for £80m+, then we’re going to find it tough to even find youngsters at a bargain price. For me we need the following:
2 Centre Back
1 Left Back
1 Striker
2 Centre Midfielders
Challo said:
I think this transfer window should give an insight into how INEOS wants to work, and what type of players they are going for and the fees they are willing to pay.
For me we need the following:
2 Centre Back
1 Left Back
1 Striker
2 Centre Midfielders
Broadly agree with this. For me we need the following:
2 Centre Back
1 Left Back
1 Striker
2 Centre Midfielders
I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
simon800 said:
Broadly agree with this.
I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
Pretty much spot on .I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
simon800 said:
Broadly agree with this.
I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
I can’t see that first six raising much money at all. It’ll all be about wage saving. I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
Sancho will be about getting his wages off the books too with maybe £20m coming our way. Maybe a bit more for Greenwood, but both those combined will struggle to fund one replacement in the areas needed.
I’m unsure what this close season will bring, or whether we’ll see much movement at all.
simon800 said:
Broadly agree with this.
I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
Agreed Simon, apart from Malacia being rubbish I'd see it as;
New starting CB - replacing Varane
New 3rd/4th choice CB - replacing Lindelof (last year of contract)
New LB - would look to loan out Malacia who looked rubbish season 1 and spent all of season 2 injured
New DM - replacing Casemiro
New CM - replacing Eriksen
New ST - replacing Martial
Whatever £'s we can raise from those who we are replacing can be supplemented by;
(a) additional £'s we can raise from selling Sancho and Greenwood if we find buyers, along with a few quid from the fringe players we move on (Pellistri, the young left back we sold to Benfica adds a few mil to the kitty etc)
(b) the massive saving in wages, on the basis the above named outs account for about £1.5mn a week and we'd presumably replace with lower wage younger players
I still think we have a decision to make on AWB who is nowhere near good enough for a new contract but also unlikely we prioritise a replacement for him given the more pressing needs above.
Isn't Mount the replacement for Eriksen though? They pretty much play the same position.
Can't see us signing two central defenders unless Lindelof & Maguire both go. I think we will sign one and keep Maguire so we will have Martinez, Maguire, Kambwala, Evans and the new lad. Then next window Evans and Maguire likely to leave and bring in another to replace them.
As much as we all want a mass clear out, it's not going to happen in one window.
Not sure what's got into us all, but a lot of people agreeing in here lately 
Maybe the break from the season just gone has done us all some good!
I imagine we might get say £15mn for Lindelof, £30mn for Sancho, £30mn for Greenwood and if we are lucky £20mn for Casemiro perhaps.
So £95mn, plus the bits added on for the Eriksen/Pellistri/Alvaro Fernandez. Maybe £110mn from players outgoing, plus the reported £50mn budget we have plus the savings on wages.
On Eriksen, he has mainly played as an 8/Centre Mid. Mount was bought to play at 8, but has shown in his limited game time he's not really capable of it and Ten Hag gave up on it. Really he's a number 10, and I'd see him as an expensive backup to Bruno or cover for the wings.
A double pivot of Mainoo/Mount just isn't really a thing. And if we play a DM sitting (as Amrabat has been) with Bruno deeper, Mainoo is your 3rd man in there. I just don't see a role for Mount over than cover.
He's a good quality player to have on the bench, and we need a squad rather than just an XI.
Maybe the break from the season just gone has done us all some good!
I imagine we might get say £15mn for Lindelof, £30mn for Sancho, £30mn for Greenwood and if we are lucky £20mn for Casemiro perhaps.
So £95mn, plus the bits added on for the Eriksen/Pellistri/Alvaro Fernandez. Maybe £110mn from players outgoing, plus the reported £50mn budget we have plus the savings on wages.
On Eriksen, he has mainly played as an 8/Centre Mid. Mount was bought to play at 8, but has shown in his limited game time he's not really capable of it and Ten Hag gave up on it. Really he's a number 10, and I'd see him as an expensive backup to Bruno or cover for the wings.
A double pivot of Mainoo/Mount just isn't really a thing. And if we play a DM sitting (as Amrabat has been) with Bruno deeper, Mainoo is your 3rd man in there. I just don't see a role for Mount over than cover.
He's a good quality player to have on the bench, and we need a squad rather than just an XI.
simon800 said:
I imagine we might get say £15mn for Lindelof, £30mn for Sancho, £30mn for Greenwood and if we are lucky £20mn for Casemiro perhaps.
Assuming you find anyone willing to pay those fees + their wage demands, the numbers you have there for Sancho and Casimero would barely be enough to cover what is left of their amortized transfer fees. That's going to be an issue for your FFP status surely and won't give you anything in your transfer kitty to spend?SWoll said:
Assuming you find anyone willing to pay those fees + their wage demands, the numbers you have there for Sancho and Casimero would barely be enough to cover what is left of their amortized transfer fees. That's going to be an issue for your FFP status surely and won't give you anything in your transfer kitty to spend?
I'm not an accountant, so would have to bow to others superior knowledge around how much amortisation is outstanding on each deal to be honest! bstb3 said:
De Ligt is up for sale apparently... just saying. Not sure he fits the bill specifically (pace certainly isn't his defining quality) but would we be surprised given his history?
Unwanted by a big club - tickDutch - tick
High wages - tick
Always injured - tick
Sounds like our kind of deal
On a serious note I hope this is the kind of deal we are moving away from. If they want to do a loan and subsidise his wages then of course that would be interesting.
SWoll said:
Assuming you find anyone willing to pay those fees + their wage demands, the numbers you have there for Sancho and Casemiro would barely be enough to cover what is left of their amortized transfer fees. That's going to be an issue for your FFP status surely and won't give you anything in your transfer kitty to spend?
Yeah that's true. The wage reduction is the benefit from those two going out, plus any possible cashflow benefits. The carrying value of them for FFP purposes is going to be something like 2/5 of the Sancho Price (he's already done 3 years of the 5 year deal) & 1/2 (2 years done of the 4 year deal) of the Casemiro price. So that would be around £30m for Sancho and £35m for Casemiro. So if we get more, then the increment helps how much we can spend under FFP, less and it actually reduces how much we can.
simon800 said:
Unwanted by a big club - tick
Dutch - tick
High wages - tick
Always injured - tick
Sounds like our kind of deal
On a serious note I hope this is the kind of deal we are moving away from. If they want to do a loan and subsidise his wages then of course that would be interesting.
DeLicht would be the type of signing the Glazers would have made but hopefully not INEOS. He's a good player for sure but his pace isn't great and I'd question why he's been at 3 clubs and potentially moving to a 4th and only 24 years of age. Alarm bells for me.Dutch - tick
High wages - tick
Always injured - tick
Sounds like our kind of deal
On a serious note I hope this is the kind of deal we are moving away from. If they want to do a loan and subsidise his wages then of course that would be interesting.
Lenny Yoro has to be top of our list for defenders imo. He's top class, young and his fee wouldn't be too high. If we can get him and Todibo then we're looking a million miles better already.
ChocolateFrog said:
Retained on the strength of one game because I don't think there was any doubt he was being sacked if you lost that game.
It's a funny old sport.
It wasn't based on one game if you read the story on how they came to the decision. Winning the FA Cup did have a big tick in one of the reasons why you should keep him.It's a funny old sport.
bstb3 said:
Close to getting Branthwaite in apparently. No fee agreed, but we are allowed to talk to the player somehow and have agreed terms with him. Getting things done early doors for once.
Is he any good? Honestly haven't watched Everton much, I know he seems rated though.
I've not seen him much, but he looked pretty clumsy against us at Old Trafford. Is he any good? Honestly haven't watched Everton much, I know he seems rated though.
£70mn and £150k a week would be absolutely mental, that seems like a Woodward special. I hope the figures being bandied around are just paper talk....
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