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johnboy1975 said:
If City had hammered you 4-0 he'd have been gone before the final whistle, very very few, if any, dissenting voices
That was the plan, as such, I believe?
To be honest no-one knew what the plan was. INEOS have been pretty good at keeping a lid on leaks. That was the plan, as such, I believe?
Did the performance and the result in the FA Cup have a play in matters? You would expect it would be, but they always said it would be an end of season review and they would include everything in the pot when having those discussions.
I understand the sounding out of managers, any club would be doing that to understand should you stick or twist with a manager. They ultimately decided that the best course of action is to stick with ETH. For me I'm happy with that as I think he deserves a shot under a new regime.
As posters have said he is under pressure to start the season well, but so are INEOS as he is their guy now as well
J6542 said:
We better have a good start to the season , or the media will give him even more grief.
I still don’t think he is the right manager for us, and I’ll be surprised if we finish any higher in the league than last season. But I hope he proves me wrong.
Out of curiosity, who do you think is a better manager for us that's available?I still don’t think he is the right manager for us, and I’ll be surprised if we finish any higher in the league than last season. But I hope he proves me wrong.
Thank goodness a decision has been made, and we can get on with transfer business now given our rivals have already begun making signings.
I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my s
t.
I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my s
t. simon800 said:
Thank goodness a decision has been made, and we can get on with transfer business now given our rivals have already begun making signings.
I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my st.
I cant disagree with the above. Lots of factors involved in the discussions, and no doubt perhaps sticking with a manager in situ but perhaps change some of the responsibilities while Ashworth and Berrada is still to come in. I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my s
t. While no doubt last year was terrible over the 2 years he still has the 3rd best win percentage of any United post war manager, and also 2 cups in 2 years which in itself is a major achievement.
simon800 said:
Thank goodness a decision has been made, and we can get on with transfer business now given our rivals have already begun making signings.
I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my st.
More detailed than my comment, but matches my thoughts exactly. I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my s
t. When is the PL program released? Be interesting to see who we start the season against. A load of supposedly inferior teams (are there any now?) will mean expectations of a very positive start. Even if it’s a bunch of wins, the performance will be crucial for me. Scraping wins in the last 5 minutes, whilst conceding dozens of shots won’t make for a good season.
simon800 said:
Thank goodness a decision has been made, and we can get on with transfer business now given our rivals have already begun making signings.
I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my st.
I agree. I think the 'constructive discussions' have focused on what went wrong and what the expectations are going forward. Ten Hag will agree with what the club expects and will know what will happen should they not be met. As you say, the new contract should cover this.I said several weeks ago it had to be sack him or new contract, and it seems the cup win has changed the new owners mind to give him a new contract.
There's a large element of optics/politics at play here I think - if they come in, sack a guy who has just won a trophy and whoever they bring in isn't flying there would be a lot of dissenting voices and the owners would be getting questioned right away. The flip side is it seems odd to reward the worst Man Utd PL season in history via many measures with a new contract.
As such they've gone for a halfway house of publicly speaking with other managers, can say they did their due diligence etc and have decided to stick not twist as it's lower risk.
They appease the fans (which the club has history of doing), and IF Ten Hag continues with his brain dead wide open midfield and we are haemorrhaging shots and getting spanked by Palace/Bournemouth etc in a few months they can sack him and bring their own guy in - he's the fall guy.
I hope the new contract has stipulations heavily weighted in the club's favour, so that if we come 6th/7th/8th they can get rid.
It's notable that Ten Hag abandoning his awful tactics toward the end of the season led to an uptick in performances and results, as such if he can continue with a sensible tactical plan AND if he has nothing to do with signings whatsoever then perhaps we see some progress.
If however we sign a single Eredivise player this window I will lose my s
t. Sycamore said:
Why would you need someone who's available?
If MU are half as big and alluring as some here claim then you could take any manager from any club with ease
You would have to pay substantial compensation to take a manager from another club , and that’s quite an obstruction given ffp rules and Uniteds recent financial performances.If MU are half as big and alluring as some here claim then you could take any manager from any club with ease
I am pleased a decision has been made. The club have made it clear that he is their man and hopefully this will send a message to the players who appear to have coasted last season. Let's hope we can improve with a decent structure in place. I am not convinced that any of the names being touted are any better than what we have either.
As far as the contract goes it might not be just about money. Ten Hag wanted a lot of control when he started, and it's possible the new owners want the structure they are trying to put in place to take some of that control away from him.
As far as the contract goes it might not be just about money. Ten Hag wanted a lot of control when he started, and it's possible the new owners want the structure they are trying to put in place to take some of that control away from him.
If the concerns about player attitudes and commitment are true then without an extension ETH isn’t exactly being backed and why would those attitudes change? It undermines his position so he should be extended with the type of clauses Simon mentioned.
The kids have just had a special season winning pretty much the lot and with the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho setting an example another reset would have been a step backwards. The one thing that can’t be thrown at ETH is failing to develop youth. IMO. Last season was hugely frustrating but ETH has dealt with so much off field change and hasn’t had anything close to a fully fit squad he deserves a chance with finally something approaching a decent football focused structure above him. The kids coming through are special so ETH’s experience with Ajax will now possibly start to bear fruit.
The likes of Rashford and Mount have a huge amount to prove and hopefully will do so given they’re both getting the summer off. A fully fit and available Martinez with a new pacey partner along side him will change that huge midfield hole, see the fa cup final for evidence. He is our most important player and was a huge miss last season. His last act in the cup final when substituted was to offer Walker a fight off the pitch, his sprit and fight was sorely missed.
Opinions will vary, obviously but it’s the right decision at the right time for me, a bit of consistency will not hurt at all. Particularly as the mainstays of our 1st team next season will be Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojland. I’ve not even mentioned Bruno and who saw the change in influence of McSauce other than ETH? Dalot was player of the season there’s 8 of a match day squad. Can anyone argue they’re not improved under ETH? Anthony was not a good decision but the ability to make the same mistake has been removed.
I think and really hope by Christmas he’s being lauded.
The kids have just had a special season winning pretty much the lot and with the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho setting an example another reset would have been a step backwards. The one thing that can’t be thrown at ETH is failing to develop youth. IMO. Last season was hugely frustrating but ETH has dealt with so much off field change and hasn’t had anything close to a fully fit squad he deserves a chance with finally something approaching a decent football focused structure above him. The kids coming through are special so ETH’s experience with Ajax will now possibly start to bear fruit.
The likes of Rashford and Mount have a huge amount to prove and hopefully will do so given they’re both getting the summer off. A fully fit and available Martinez with a new pacey partner along side him will change that huge midfield hole, see the fa cup final for evidence. He is our most important player and was a huge miss last season. His last act in the cup final when substituted was to offer Walker a fight off the pitch, his sprit and fight was sorely missed.
Opinions will vary, obviously but it’s the right decision at the right time for me, a bit of consistency will not hurt at all. Particularly as the mainstays of our 1st team next season will be Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojland. I’ve not even mentioned Bruno and who saw the change in influence of McSauce other than ETH? Dalot was player of the season there’s 8 of a match day squad. Can anyone argue they’re not improved under ETH? Anthony was not a good decision but the ability to make the same mistake has been removed.
I think and really hope by Christmas he’s being lauded.
It does a bit depend on the outgoings, but we know Martial and Varane will need replacing so thats two. So for me:
Two pacy CB's, one a starter to replace Varane and the other for depth (can be a youngster ideally). Can't be having to sacrifice the high line as soon as we get one injury.
Left full back, depending on what is happening with Malacia but we can't be exposed again like last season in that position - we know Shaw won't manage a whole season. Ideally someone who can play either side comfortably as AWB might also be off.
Someone to act as a support / competition for Hojlund. Needs to be a true centre forward & not a converted winger, we have enough of those.
A starting midfield controller to play alongside Mainoo (assuming we aren't sticking with the donut tactic), plus probably another defensive mid given both Casemiro and Amrabat are supposedly off.
Really though we need quite a large revolution and it's going to be a few windows of work.
Two pacy CB's, one a starter to replace Varane and the other for depth (can be a youngster ideally). Can't be having to sacrifice the high line as soon as we get one injury.
Left full back, depending on what is happening with Malacia but we can't be exposed again like last season in that position - we know Shaw won't manage a whole season. Ideally someone who can play either side comfortably as AWB might also be off.
Someone to act as a support / competition for Hojlund. Needs to be a true centre forward & not a converted winger, we have enough of those.
A starting midfield controller to play alongside Mainoo (assuming we aren't sticking with the donut tactic), plus probably another defensive mid given both Casemiro and Amrabat are supposedly off.
Really though we need quite a large revolution and it's going to be a few windows of work.
It was supposed to be about 5 transfer windows worth of work two years ago. This is the 5th window. I’m not seeing we’ve progressed very far with our signings. Outgoings have been reasonable, but slow and still a lot more to go.
What’s come in has either gone back out immediately as failed loans, or we’re stuck with another bunch of failures with the odd rare exception.
What’s come in has either gone back out immediately as failed loans, or we’re stuck with another bunch of failures with the odd rare exception.
LF5335 said:
It was supposed to be about 5 transfer windows worth of work two years ago. This is the 5th window. I’m not seeing we’ve progressed very far with our signings. Outgoings have been reasonable, but slow and still a lot more to go.
What’s come in has either gone back out immediately as failed loans, or we’re stuck with another bunch of failures with the odd rare exception.
I think this transfer window should give an insight into how INEOS wants to work, and what type of players they are going for and the fees they are willing to pay. What’s come in has either gone back out immediately as failed loans, or we’re stuck with another bunch of failures with the odd rare exception.
For me we need the following:
2 Centre Back
1 Left Back
1 Striker
2 Centre Midfielders
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