The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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Probably got the s
ts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.
They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of st. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.
ts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of s
t. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.bstb3 said:
Probably got the sts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.
They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of st. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.
Can’t remember who it was but someone on tslksts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of s
t. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.te said when they were charged ‘nothing will come of it as they will tie the league up in protracted legal battles ‘They should obviously be booted out of the league full stop now.
bstb3 said:
Probably got the sts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.
They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of st. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.
The remaining clubs, 2 of which are doing exactly the same(newcastle and Chelsea) and then there’s Everton and forest.. ts about the 115 charges landing, so they are preparing the next step - a counter suit they would be willing to drop if the 115 charges go away.They really are a scummy scummy operation. How anyone can not see what they are doing, what they threaten to do to football, must have their heads so far up their arses it's untrue. All while playing the little guy card. Truly remarkable. Hopefully this is the start of the end of them, can't see the PL and the remaining clubs taking kindly to this kind of s
t. If they win on this the premier league is done, so either they lose or the other clubs pull out and reform without them.I really fear that nothing will happen. The Middle Eastern clubs have far bigger resources than the pl and will just tie them up in knots.
Ascayman said:
The remaining clubs, 2 of which are doing exactly the same(newcastle and Chelsea) and then there’s Everton and forest..
I really fear that nothing will happen. The Middle Eastern clubs have far bigger resources than the pl and will just tie them up in knots.
Im not sure I would class Everton and Forest in the same to be honest. They fell foul of the rules but it didn't really seem like they were egregiously trying to circumvent them as such (I don't know enough on it though) and are as disadvantaged by abuse of the rules by other clubs as anyone else. Can't comment much on Chelsea and Toon as as far as I know they've not been charged with anything - although Toon especially would benefit if the shackles on related party sponsorships were removed.I really fear that nothing will happen. The Middle Eastern clubs have far bigger resources than the pl and will just tie them up in knots.
The risk absolutely is though that litigation and threats / manipulation behind the scenes will prevent much happening. It was mental for state ownership to be allowed in the first place, this was (not the cheating but the will to remove spending restraints) always going to be on the cards eventually and once they got enough control. That ship has sailed though, so either the regulators get a grip or it's burnt down and we start again, not making the same mistakes and with better than FFP rules in place to limit spending to fair levels across the board (and yes that would hurt us, as well as some of the other traditionally larger clubs, which is probably where some reluctance is sadly).
For me the horse has bolted and it's really too late, the resources and structures in place would take others decades to replicate with all the restrictions in place. Newcastle seem to be laying low and waiting on the outcome if City aren't charged I can see the chequebook being opened there and it turning into a monster.
Didn't the club's vote to change the FFP into a different type of structure or is that still to come?
Didn't the club's vote to change the FFP into a different type of structure or is that still to come?
bobski1 said:
For me the horse has bolted and it's really too late, the resources and structures in place would take others decades to replicate with all the restrictions in place. Newcastle seem to be laying low and waiting on the outcome if City aren't charged I can see the chequebook being opened there and it turning into a monster.
Didn't the club's vote to change the FFP into a different type of structure or is that still to come?
Starts this year.Didn't the club's vote to change the FFP into a different type of structure or is that still to come?
I still think the new version of the rules is a lot of old tut as well, but that doesn't really excuse what City have done.
The premier league has really f
ked this up and I can't see an easy way out.The whole man city situation has got me wondering how we will compete if it all goes their way, will Jim try to force a sale to a middle east country in order to open the chequebook and get a £200bn stadium deal in order to keep the club competing at the top.
Does seem that there is no way any of the non state owned clubs can even think to compete with it does go Citys way
Does seem that there is no way any of the non state owned clubs can even think to compete with it does go Citys way
bobski1 said:
The whole man city situation has got me wondering how we will compete if it all goes their way, will Jim try to force a sale to a middle east country in order to open the chequebook and get a £200bn stadium deal in order to keep the club competing at the top.
Does seem that there is no way any of the non state owned clubs can even think to compete with it does go Citys way
I think it's inevitable.Does seem that there is no way any of the non state owned clubs can even think to compete with it does go Citys way
If city's owners lose they won't take this lying down. If they win then we know what will happen.
All we have to do is look at what's happening in other sports - and current owners won't turn down the coin. Might turn out better for clubs outside the big 6 in the long run, but it will be crap for old school fans of the bigger clubs.
TownIdiot said:
I think it's inevitable.
If city's owners lose they won't take this lying down. If they win then we know what will happen.
All we have to do is look at what's happening in other sports - and current owners won't turn down the coin. Might turn out better for clubs outside the big 6 in the long run, but it will be crap for old school fans of the bigger clubs.
It's hard to see it going well for anyone really, other than the mega wealthy clubs. The challenge on associated party sponsorships is one thing, and it's clear why they need / want to do that. It will benefit only the wealthiest as without any form of control around such things any PSR / FFP initiatives fall flat on their face. At that point it's just about who wants / can spend more.If city's owners lose they won't take this lying down. If they win then we know what will happen.
All we have to do is look at what's happening in other sports - and current owners won't turn down the coin. Might turn out better for clubs outside the big 6 in the long run, but it will be crap for old school fans of the bigger clubs.
It goes beyond where we are today, where there is some validity to the argument it's not only about money due to our failings as an example, because right now there is at least the semblance of having to look like they are playing by the rules. Remove the rules and they can and easily will outspend anyone for everything, with very little real competition other than equally wealthy state backed owners. A pure race to the bottom for anyone else trying to keep up. The laughable idea that this is better for the smaller clubs who can't compete even now is pathetic.
Worse though, at least in the short term, is the challenge on the decision making in the premier league. Making it easier than the current 14 majority needed to enact rule changes is far more dangerous. Want to make it a NFL style closed shop for relegation? Want to play games in UAE, US? Currently that would need a majority and be very hard to get. Remove that, take it to 10 and that's then a more realistic option if there are already enough self interested owners willing to push for it (and potentially only needing to bribe a few more). Literally the thin end of the wedge that would be the end of the EPL in the long term.
This is nothing more than the mega rich wanting to have their sports washing cake, eat it and pretend that they are doing it for the common man. It's pathetic and shameful that anyone, even the fans of the clubs who were pretty much randomly selected to be the vehicles for it, can't see it for what it is.
The irony of complaining about it being a closed shop, whilst winning 6 out of the last 7 leagues and wanting to make it even more of an exclusive club is as staggering as it is sickening.
I can see a scenario where a few clubs are sold and go and play in a closed shop.
The market outside of the UK is massive and profit isn't high in the list of motive for a state owned club.
As it stands the only reason city haven't won 7 in a row is because Liverpool got a windfall, spent it wisely and managed to win it once.
The market outside of the UK is massive and profit isn't high in the list of motive for a state owned club.
As it stands the only reason city haven't won 7 in a row is because Liverpool got a windfall, spent it wisely and managed to win it once.
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