Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
Dingu said:
GloverMart said:
Slowboathome said:
272BHP said:
Slick VAR decision making for the Portugal offside disallowed goal.
If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
The speed of VAR decisions in this tournament has been an eye opener. Why can't the PL do it like this?If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
The Euros refs also seem to be able to let play run alot better and get majority of decisions correct so far, wonder if they could train some of the EPL lot?
johnboy1975 said:
If his kneecap was offside, then surely the number 3’s arm was playing him inside?I seem to think that I read somewhere that they have sensors in the balls so that they can work it all out very accurately in terms of when the ball was kicked. Could be wrong though
Boringvolvodriver said:
If his kneecap was offside, then surely the number 3’s arm was playing him inside?
I seem to think that I read somewhere that they have sensors in the balls so that they can work it all out very accurately in terms of when the ball was kicked. Could be wrong though
Are the sensors that accurate? The ball will deform when it’s kicked and can stay in contact with the foot for a split second or two after it appears to have been kicked. That margin would easily account for a kneecap. I seem to think that I read somewhere that they have sensors in the balls so that they can work it all out very accurately in terms of when the ball was kicked. Could be wrong though
Mazinbrum said:
It's not legal to play the ball with your arm so doesn't count.
Of course! Not awake yet! As for the sensors - who knows although I found thishttps://apnews.com/article/euro-ball-goals-a453426...
Boringvolvodriver said:
Mazinbrum said:
It's not legal to play the ball with your arm so doesn't count.
Of course! Not awake yet! As for the sensors - who knows although I found thishttps://apnews.com/article/euro-ball-goals-a453426...
Who draws the lines? Least it's not done with crayons
Do we get this new tech on day 1 of the new PL season...or halfway through? Seem to remember reading it's the latter?
Blib said:
The supporters of VAR, before it's introduction, said we needed VAR to get "the big calls right". This was a big call, a Euros knock out game, and it got a big call right. It is offside. Now those same people are saying "it's too accurate, it's ruining the game, it's getting the big calls right when I want leeway to get them a bit wrong."Absolutely bonkers. This is exactly what VAR was always about . You all got what you wanted, but instead of admitting you were wrong, you're complaining about it being too precise. .
Blib said:
It was always going to end up like this when VAR was introduced and the final product was what was seen in the Germany game last night. What could have been an excellent exciting game reduced to clinical entertainment sapping decisions. Oh how much fun football has become eh. Nice and coincidental that it just so happened to be a Premiership ref in charge as well. The handball decision was, let’s say, interesting!
I have watched it several times now and the best I can see is that it grazed his finger as it went by. With him being so close to the player crossing the ball, I am not sure what else he could have done really.
Happy to be corrected but at normal speed, his arm looked in a fairly natural position with no intent to prevent the cross.
I appreciate that those are the rules although I would suggest that they perhaps need changing.
I have watched it several times now and the best I can see is that it grazed his finger as it went by. With him being so close to the player crossing the ball, I am not sure what else he could have done really.
Happy to be corrected but at normal speed, his arm looked in a fairly natural position with no intent to prevent the cross.
I appreciate that those are the rules although I would suggest that they perhaps need changing.
Boringvolvodriver said:
The handball decision was, let’s say, interesting!
I have watched it several times now and the best I can see is that it grazed his finger as it went by. With him being so close to the player crossing the ball, I am not sure what else he could have done really.
Happy to be corrected but at normal speed, his arm looked in a fairly natural position with no intent to prevent the cross.
I appreciate that those are the rules although I would suggest that they perhaps need changing.
It seems that UEFA are stricter on handball so this is given, whereas in England domestic it would be unlikely to be given.I have watched it several times now and the best I can see is that it grazed his finger as it went by. With him being so close to the player crossing the ball, I am not sure what else he could have done really.
Happy to be corrected but at normal speed, his arm looked in a fairly natural position with no intent to prevent the cross.
I appreciate that those are the rules although I would suggest that they perhaps need changing.
Edit - this is written by a level 3 referee on a dedicated refereeing forum.
I've come to the conclusion that if the arm is away from the body and the player isn't doing a football action i.e. playing the ball then this is being considered an unnatural position and the movement for that situation is irrelevant.
I think UEFA see this type of handball as creating a barrier.
I agree it is harsh, I was almost convinced MO might even decline to change the decision. I dont think that gets given in the PL. But, UEFA, as @(member) says expect handball here.
Edited by wazztie16 on Sunday 30th June 10:45
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The supporters of VAR, before it's introduction, said we needed VAR to get "the big calls right". This was a big call, a Euros knock out game, and it got a big call right. It is offside. Now those same people are saying "it's too accurate, it's ruining the game, it's getting the big calls right when I want leeway to get them a bit wrong."
Absolutely bonkers. This is exactly what VAR was always about . You all got what you wanted, but instead of admitting you were wrong, you're complaining about it being too precise. .
I know you’re being sarcastic and are opposed to VAR, but it isn’t accurate. There is no way VAR will be able to absolutely 100% state the exact moment that the ball stopped being in contact with the player who passed it. That means a decision as precise as that offside is flawed. Absolutely bonkers. This is exactly what VAR was always about . You all got what you wanted, but instead of admitting you were wrong, you're complaining about it being too precise. .
LF5335 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The supporters of VAR, before it's introduction, said we needed VAR to get "the big calls right". This was a big call, a Euros knock out game, and it got a big call right. It is offside. Now those same people are saying "it's too accurate, it's ruining the game, it's getting the big calls right when I want leeway to get them a bit wrong."
Absolutely bonkers. This is exactly what VAR was always about . You all got what you wanted, but instead of admitting you were wrong, you're complaining about it being too precise. .
I know you’re being sarcastic and are opposed to VAR, but it isn’t accurate. There is no way VAR will be able to absolutely 100% state the exact moment that the ball stopped being in contact with the player who passed it. That means a decision as precise as that offside is flawed. Absolutely bonkers. This is exactly what VAR was always about . You all got what you wanted, but instead of admitting you were wrong, you're complaining about it being too precise. .
The whole VAR moaning is just like those idiots who say "this isn't the Brexit I voted for". Which is odd, because it's exactly the Brexit I voted against.
I was against VAR because it was sold on a lie, the lie being getting decisions right would be good for the game. No, it's bad for the game. The game needs the odd bad decision. It's an integral part of football. Football was way better before VAR.
wazztie16 said:
It seems that UEFA are stricter on handball so this is given, whereas in England domestic it would be unlikely to be given.
Edit - this is written by a level 3 referee on a dedicated refereeing forum.
I've come to the conclusion that if the arm is away from the body and the player isn't doing a football action i.e. playing the ball then this is being considered an unnatural position and the movement for that situation is irrelevant.
I think UEFA see this type of handball as creating a barrier.
I agree it is harsh, I was almost convinced MO might even decline to change the decision. I dont think that gets given in the PL. But, UEFA, as @(member) says expect handball here.
I think that would have been given as handball in the Prem. Not only is his hand raised and away from his body, but it's the movement of the hand towards the ball after it's been kicked. But unlike offside, it's a purely subjective call. If it hadn't been given, I don't think that would have been a bad decision. It's a very difficult call to make. Edit - this is written by a level 3 referee on a dedicated refereeing forum.
I've come to the conclusion that if the arm is away from the body and the player isn't doing a football action i.e. playing the ball then this is being considered an unnatural position and the movement for that situation is irrelevant.
I think UEFA see this type of handball as creating a barrier.
I agree it is harsh, I was almost convinced MO might even decline to change the decision. I dont think that gets given in the PL. But, UEFA, as @(member) says expect handball here.
Edited by wazztie16 on Sunday 30th June 10:45
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