Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
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GloverMart said:
I'd imagine that Wolves probably couldn't give a 
what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.
This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
Not sure 19-1 screams credibility. what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
GloverMart said:
I'd imagine that Wolves probably couldn't give a what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.
This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
The action which would have given them credibility would be to state they are in in agreement that VAR has benefits and works but it requires significant improvement and to work with clubs and fans to make its implementation better for all. That would have most likely seen a 20-0 in favour vote as every club will have been on the wrong end of VAR involvement at some point during the season and any improvement is good what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
Instead they chose "scrap it all" and had everyone voting against their proposal.
ro250 said:
Not sure 19-1 screams credibility.
Screams something and it definitely isn't credibility48k said:
Sport is competition, and at the top level there is a lot of money, reward and prestige involved. It makes absolute sense for officials of the sport to try and get as many decisions correct as possible. VAR has helped increase the number of correct decisions in the Premier League. The cost has been a poor implementation, particularly regarding the fan experience in the stadium,
Read that bit back. Basically, you're saying more decisions have been right, at a cost to the people who are actually paying to go and watch it, whose experience is now diminished.Can't you see how bonkers that is.
"The new ordering process has meant the chef is now using better ingredients. The only downside if the customers have to wait far longer for their food and don't enjoy their meal as much."
"The new cancer drugs are much more effective. Unfortunately, due to the delay in getting them, survival rates are lower".
Ffs, talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
No matter what they do with var, it's always going to take longer that a goal going in, fans looking at the asst. ref to see if he's raised his flag, and either celebrating or not. The fans' experience is always going to be diminished.
pavarotti1980 said:
GloverMart said:
I'd imagine that Wolves probably couldn't give a what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.
This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
The action which would have given them credibility would be to state they are in in agreement that VAR has benefits and works but it requires significant improvement and to work with clubs and fans to make its implementation better for all. That would have most likely seen a 20-0 in favour vote as every club will have been on the wrong end of VAR involvement at some point during the season and any improvement is good what other clubs think of them, they would have surely known anyway that they were in a minority of one, maybe two clubs.This result means that although they didn't get their way, they at least stuck to their guns, voted against VAR, come out of this with some credibility for doing so and if VAR goes wrong again this season, can at least say "Well, we did our bit!".
Instead they chose "scrap it all" and had everyone voting against their proposal.
ro250 said:
Not sure 19-1 screams credibility.
Screams something and it definitely isn't credibilityIf they'd turned round and voted for it so the vote was 20-0, they would NOT have had credibility.
GloverMart said:
Credibility in that they stuck to what they believed in despite knowing it was likely going to head for defeat.
If they'd turned round and voted for it so the vote was 20-0, they would NOT have had credibility.
That's not credibility though, that would be integrityIf they'd turned round and voted for it so the vote was 20-0, they would NOT have had credibility.
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pavarotti1980 said:
48k said:
Premier League votes 19 - 1 to keep VAR
Sorry Wolves
Oh dear thats a monumental balls up on Wolves part. Even Forest didnt side with themSorry Wolves
)We're 5 years in and some bigwig at PGMOL has decided letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on is a good thing? Slow clap...
pavarotti1980 said:
GloverMart said:
Credibility in that they stuck to what they believed in despite knowing it was likely going to head for defeat.
If they'd turned round and voted for it so the vote was 20-0, they would NOT have had credibility.
That's not credibility though, that would be integrityIf they'd turned round and voted for it so the vote was 20-0, they would NOT have had credibility.
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Sycamore said:
Quite.
But apparently there is no point in doing anything or expressing an opinion unless you know you'll get your way and everyone agrees with you
"I'm making a cup of tea - would you like one, dear?"
"No"
"Ok I won't have one either then"
Other leagues have VAR and it seems to work quite well. The PL's implementation of it is the problem.
This.But apparently there is no point in doing anything or expressing an opinion unless you know you'll get your way and everyone agrees with you
"I'm making a cup of tea - would you like one, dear?"
"No"
"Ok I won't have one either then"
Other leagues have VAR and it seems to work quite well. The PL's implementation of it is the problem.
As a season ticket holder who gets bummed by the club, screwed over date changes for TV I'd at least like to be in the same position as someone sat at home in terms of knowing:
a) VAR check is happening and for what (and not 3 or 4 mins into the process)
b) nice soothing music played whilst VAR check is happening
c) some adverts for blood pressure checks whilst VAR is also checking
d) someone to standardise the thickness of the crayons they use
e) consider a core of VAR panellists for some semblance of consistency (and not be able to just hide for a couple weeks and then reappear if there is a f
k up) .f) most grounds have a screen or two put the
ing thing up so we can see what is being looked at same as everyone at home/ pub/ or in corporate...g) sending off those found to be: diving, stopping play for fake head injury (e.g. when kicked in the shin), be a United player (any United player) or just generally malingering
johnboy1975 said:
Spin it round...were the PL going to change anything if everyone was raving about how great VAR was? Wolves have done everyone a massive favour, and whilst ultimately I'd agree it needs reform rather than scrapping (mainly because, but not limited to, that ship has long sailed) - ideally it wouldn't be a binary "yes/no" but a series of votes about different tweeks (like VAR challenges, a slightly thicker offside line to allow a bit of tolerance, in game announcements (happening?) and just generally speeding the decisions up (although PGMOL are quick to claim the average is about 5 milliseconds )
We're 5 years in and some bigwig at PGMOL has decided letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on is a good thing? Slow clap...
You think that PGMOL have only announced changes to VAR because of Wolves voting for the EPL to scrap it? IF you don't think that was already happening anyway I have some magic beans for sale. )We're 5 years in and some bigwig at PGMOL has decided letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on is a good thing? Slow clap...
All they need to do is look at how they use TMO in rugby and bastardise the good bits for football.
pavarotti1980 said:
johnboy1975 said:
Spin it round...were the PL going to change anything if everyone was raving about how great VAR was? Wolves have done everyone a massive favour, and whilst ultimately I'd agree it needs reform rather than scrapping (mainly because, but not limited to, that ship has long sailed) - ideally it wouldn't be a binary "yes/no" but a series of votes about different tweeks (like VAR challenges, a slightly thicker offside line to allow a bit of tolerance, in game announcements (happening?) and just generally speeding the decisions up (although PGMOL are quick to claim the average is about 5 milliseconds )
We're 5 years in and some bigwig at PGMOL has decided letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on is a good thing? Slow clap...
You think that PGMOL have only announced changes to VAR because of Wolves voting for the EPL to scrap it? IF you don't think that was already happening anyway I have some magic beans for sale. )We're 5 years in and some bigwig at PGMOL has decided letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on is a good thing? Slow clap...
But if they can see it's broken, why not fix it? I think they've tweaked it a couple of times this season so not impossible to do mid season. Rowing back a bit, I think as I've said before, it can't be fixed, but perhaps can be improved. They reckon they got the Doku challenge correct. The panel voted 3-2 it was the correct decision and 5-0 that VAR was correct not to intervene. So those sorts of incidents will still happen. Possibly they will all be not reviewed (as per the 5-0 vote) which is at least an element of consistency - but I'd suggest we'd then be no further forward than 5 years ago (apart from toenail offsides, natch
)And I reserve the right to quote the 5-0 decision when MY player does something similar and a penalty is given by VAR in the 98th minute
(and the panel say 5-0 that it was right for VAR to intervene ). This thread will run and run...Luckily it didn't cost Arsenal the league as it was only 1 extra point to City. Although if they'd also got a point from the Newcastle game when Newcastle scored a controversial VAR goal ("I see two hands on his back but no evidence of a push"
), they'd have won on goal difference.pavarotti1980 said:
All they need to do is look at how they use TMO in rugby and bastardise the good bits for football.
Agreed 
What ARE they actually doing? Don't think we are getting live audio?Edited by johnboy1975 on Friday 7th June 16:54
LimmerickLad said:
johnboy1975 said:
You sure you got the teams the right way round?Slowboathome said:
272BHP said:
Slick VAR decision making for the Portugal offside disallowed goal.
If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
The speed of VAR decisions in this tournament has been an eye opener. Why can't the PL do it like this?If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
GloverMart said:
Slowboathome said:
272BHP said:
Slick VAR decision making for the Portugal offside disallowed goal.
If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
The speed of VAR decisions in this tournament has been an eye opener. Why can't the PL do it like this?If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
Dingu said:
GloverMart said:
Slowboathome said:
272BHP said:
Slick VAR decision making for the Portugal offside disallowed goal.
If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
The speed of VAR decisions in this tournament has been an eye opener. Why can't the PL do it like this?If that was the PL it would have taken that long to just get their coloured crayons out.
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