The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]
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Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It's easy to look competent at fullback if you don't make any howlers. Good though, is a whole different matter. Played half Millwall's games at CB, so I guess that's his level of we are releasing him?
Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I think it's 80% talent and 20% training. You can't turn an average player into a great one with just training alone.Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I also think there is a very healthy dose of luck in who gets given the opportunity. On first look, Kane didn't look like anything special, imagine if he hadn't been given the chance to prove himself.
What I find odd is the amount of youth players who create a lot of noise but then just disappear into obscurity, always find that a bit baffling.
Loads of players would have thrown the towel in and accepted their fate and faded down the leagues, but he just kept getting better.
Byker28i said:
Maddison coming home, out the England squad. Good news for us as he can concentrate on getting fit and on form again
Never thought he'd get in, too many better on present form in his position, although when he came on the other night it changed the game, could'nt have been much worse though. What's not right though is singling him out and doing it now, why not all 6 together after the Iceland game, put's a lot of unfair heat on him. Wonder who made that decision? Bad management!
Let's face it, he's been VERY inconsistent since the new year, probably shouldn't have been picked in the first place.
We've seen what he's capable of but he seriously needs to step up next season. He'll never be considered a top player if he only puts in a performance, 50% of the time.
We've seen what he's capable of but he seriously needs to step up next season. He'll never be considered a top player if he only puts in a performance, 50% of the time.
TownIdiot said:
Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It's easy to look competent at fullback if you don't make any howlers. Good though, is a whole different matter. Played half Millwall's games at CB, so I guess that's his level of we are releasing him?
Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I think it's 80% talent and 20% training. You can't turn an average player into a great one with just training alone.Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I also think there is a very healthy dose of luck in who gets given the opportunity. On first look, Kane didn't look like anything special, imagine if he hadn't been given the chance to prove himself.
What I find odd is the amount of youth players who create a lot of noise but then just disappear into obscurity, always find that a bit baffling.
Loads of players would have thrown the towel in and accepted their fate and faded down the leagues, but he just kept getting better.
Ascayman said:
madders only has himself to blame.
You only need 3 of Foden madders grealish and bowen. Id have said before Xmas madders would have just been behind foden in the pecking order, after the second half of the season he was comfortably bottom of the pile.
As I said in the England thread - I would have Grealish on his current form. He also has too many issues with gravity, so if he falls looking for a foul and doesn't get it, it exposes us. Eze was much more positive and showed great composure. Making runs when he could, but holding the ball up and keeping possession when it wasn't onYou only need 3 of Foden madders grealish and bowen. Id have said before Xmas madders would have just been behind foden in the pecking order, after the second half of the season he was comfortably bottom of the pile.
sugerbear said:
All boils down to what is going on in their respective heads. Kane has (I felt) always kept a low profile, kept himself out of the limelight, he isn't partying every Saturday night as far as anyone can tell and his media profile is pretty low. He comes across as a bit boring which might be a good thing, no extra marital affairs to worry about, no hard drinking at the weekend. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a train spotter and made airfix models in his spare time.
4 young kids suggests he's got other things to do 
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
TownIdiot said:
Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It's easy to look competent at fullback if you don't make any howlers. Good though, is a whole different matter. Played half Millwall's games at CB, so I guess that's his level of we are releasing him?
Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I think it's 80% talent and 20% training. You can't turn an average player into a great one with just training alone.Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I also think there is a very healthy dose of luck in who gets given the opportunity. On first look, Kane didn't look like anything special, imagine if he hadn't been given the chance to prove himself.
What I find odd is the amount of youth players who create a lot of noise but then just disappear into obscurity, always find that a bit baffling.
Loads of players would have thrown the towel in and accepted their fate and faded down the leagues, but he just kept getting better.
Guvernator said:
You can't turn an average player into a great one with just training alone.
Harry Kane disagrees with you.Average as a kid, released by Arsenal, batted around a few clubs, got his head down and trained his socks off, learning to shoot with both feet etc, became world class.
martinbiz said:
Byker28i said:
Maddison coming home, out the England squad. Good news for us as he can concentrate on getting fit and on form again
Never thought he'd get in, too many better on present form in his position, although when he came on the other night it changed the game, could'nt have been much worse though. What's not right though is singling him out and doing it now, why not all 6 together after the Iceland game, put's a lot of unfair heat on him. Wonder who made that decision? Bad management!
48k said:
Harry Kane disagrees with you.
Average as a kid, released by Arsenal, batted around a few clubs, got his head down and trained his socks off, learning to shoot with both feet etc, became world class.
His talents aren't immediately obvious which is probably why he got bounced around. Even though I watched him play for years, he doesn't look amazing most of the time as he doesn't have that flair ability that immediately makes you think superstar like Ronaldo etc. What he does have is an amazing instinct of being in the right place at the right time, his exceptional movement, knowing how to create half a yard to get a shot off and finishing. That's not stuff that can be taught unfortunately and players like Richie amply demonstrate that.Average as a kid, released by Arsenal, batted around a few clubs, got his head down and trained his socks off, learning to shoot with both feet etc, became world class.
Guvernator said:
His talents aren't immediately obvious which is probably why he got bounced around. Even though I watched him play for years, he doesn't look amazing most of the time as he doesn't have that flair ability that immediately makes you think superstar like Ronaldo etc. What he does have is an amazing instinct of being in the right place at the right time, his exceptional movement, knowing how to create half a yard to get a shot off and finishing. That's not stuff that can be taught unfortunately and players like Richie amply demonstrate that.
And puts a shift in, doesn't get phased by being kicked and isn't shy of a tackle himself.I am not that invested in England really, but genuinely hope he does something good in the latter stages of the tournament as then he will have really shut up any one left who has any doubts.
Byker28i said:
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
I remember when we'd regularly have 3 or 4 starters for England and now we have none. I'm not sure what that says about our recruitment or training though.Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
I remember when we'd regularly have 3 or 4 starters for England and now we have none. I'm not sure what that says about our recruitment or training though.Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
Guvernator said:
48k said:
Harry Kane disagrees with you.
Average as a kid, released by Arsenal, batted around a few clubs, got his head down and trained his socks off, learning to shoot with both feet etc, became world class.
His talents aren't immediately obvious which is probably why he got bounced around. Even though I watched him play for years, he doesn't look amazing most of the time as he doesn't have that flair ability that immediately makes you think superstar like Ronaldo etc. What he does have is an amazing instinct of being in the right place at the right time, his exceptional movement, knowing how to create half a yard to get a shot off and finishing. That's not stuff that can be taught unfortunately and players like Richie amply demonstrate that.Average as a kid, released by Arsenal, batted around a few clubs, got his head down and trained his socks off, learning to shoot with both feet etc, became world class.
Byker28i said:
Actually his hold up play is brilliant the way he can bring others players into the game, and his passing is usually excellent, as well as his creating space and shooting ability.
When you have that vision, reading of the game and passing ability, you can just keep dropping deeper as your legs and body age. He could play a Pirlo role until he's 40 if he wanted to. Players who never relied on pace can have much longer careers - see Sheringham.Zolvaro said:
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
I remember when we'd regularly have 3 or 4 starters for England and now we have none. I'm not sure what that says about our recruitment or training though.Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
TEKNOPUG said:
Zolvaro said:
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
I remember when we'd regularly have 3 or 4 starters for England and now we have none. I'm not sure what that says about our recruitment or training though.Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
TEKNOPUG said:
Byker28i said:
Actually his hold up play is brilliant the way he can bring others players into the game, and his passing is usually excellent, as well as his creating space and shooting ability.
When you have that vision, reading of the game and passing ability, you can just keep dropping deeper as your legs and body age. He could play a Pirlo role until he's 40 if he wanted to. Players who never relied on pace can have much longer careers - see Sheringham.juliussneezer said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Zolvaro said:
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
Telling though we've no players in the England squad, thats been a while since that happened
I remember when we'd regularly have 3 or 4 starters for England and now we have none. I'm not sure what that says about our recruitment or training though.Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 6th June 09:52
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