The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

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Terry Winks

1,261 posts

16 months

Monday 3rd June
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Same could be said for Johnson, he got so many balls across the 6 yard box that Richie or Son watched from 20 yards away.

Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Monday 3rd June
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sugerbear said:
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
We;ll need a bigger squad with european football. We tried to just do the league on the cheap last year and got caught out with a lack of players. I don't mind Werner as a winger, releases Son, but needs to do better than 2 goals, 3 assists. Johnson got 5 goals 10 assists
Releases Son to do what? If you are suggesting we need to manage Son's time so he doesn't play so many minutes, I 100% agree. If you are suggesting Werner is the one who should be filling that slot then I don't agree. Son is 31, we should be looking to get a player in that will push him hard for that spot and replace him in a year or two, not a temporary stand-in who as you've pointed out only has 2 goals and 3 assists.

I'm not sure why as Spurs fans we fall into this same trap time and time again. The fact is he isn't good enough and we should be actively looking to replace him with someone better, not shrug our shoulders and hope he magically gets better. This is how you end up with the likes of Royal, Dier etc at the club for years and years. This is part of the step change that Ange was talking about, we shouldn't accept mediocrity.
Hate to say this but if we had managed to keep Kane we would have been top four, Werner looked good on the wing, not so good as an out and out striker because he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.Signing him for another year just gives us more options if the league / cup / europa starts to bit with injuries and the need to rest players.
Yup and don't accuse me of being one accepting Dier. I was saying for some time he needed to go...

Who would you buy? Is spurs an attractive club currently to the top strikers, and would we pay the money?
Otherwise it's just another punt like almost every other club is doing.

i.e. £100m for Grealish instead of buying Kane looks like terrible business for Man City

Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Monday 3rd June
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Terry Winks said:
Same could be said for Johnson, he got so many balls across the 6 yard box that Richie or Son watched from 20 yards away.
And as the season went on, was often the player busting a gut into the box to get on the end of stuff, or getting close. Just needs to up his finishing skills to be the ultimate player I think he can become.

Guvernator

13,237 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd June
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Byker28i said:
Yup and don't accuse me of being one accepting Dier. I was saying for some time he needed to go...

Who would you buy? Is spurs an attractive club currently to the top strikers, and would we pay the money?
Otherwise it's just another punt like almost every other club is doing.

i.e. £100m for Grealish instead of buying Kane looks like terrible business for Man City
There are half a dozen better wingers in the lower PL teams available and that's before even looking further afield. Yes I agree on your point about whether they'd come to Spurs or not but if that's the case, do we just give up and admit Werner is the best we can hope for?

Also this flashing it across the box thing, I've heard this quite a few times, they put the cross in but no one was there. Surely as a winger you look up before putting a cross in? If players aren't in the 6 yard box, either hold the ball up or pass it somewhere else or is that too much common sense?

Also since the by-line cross seems to be what we are going for, I'd be wondering why our forwards are waiting around the 18 yard box for a cross instead of the 6, is it a coaching thing or are the players not doing what they are told?

Joeywinkle

237 posts

22 months

Monday 3rd June
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I'd say wait it out until the window is up to see the state of play on Werner. If Gil and Solomon go, and he becomes the worst option of three after we get another in, i'd say it probably isn't terrible business with the money involved; its certainly raising the bar at the very least. Its no secret we're after another winger too.

If we go into the new season and he's starting 9 out of 10 games then yeah we've got a real problem.

48k

13,371 posts

151 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Revealing the worst kept secret ever, Spurs have announced that the contracts for Dier, Sess, Perisic and Tanganga have ended and are not being renewed.

Terry Winks

1,261 posts

16 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Yeah, about £500k off the wage bill in one swoop there, mainly I think because Ivan was on top money.

Sess though, what a disappointment that is all round.

48k

13,371 posts

151 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Terry Winks said:
Yeah, about £500k off the wage bill in one swoop there, mainly I think because Ivan was on top money.

Sess though, what a disappointment that is all round.
I'm not entirely sure Spurs were paying Perisic anything. Reports at the time were that he waived his salary in order to facilitate the move to Hajduk Split, and they were paying him a symbolic salary of 1EUR a month. But something could be lost in translation.

Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Terry Winks said:
Yeah, about £500k off the wage bill in one swoop there, mainly I think because Ivan was on top money.

Sess though, what a disappointment that is all round.
Sess just turned out to be injury prone. Dier will make loan permanent, Millwall were after Tanganga

Latest is links with Sevilla striker Youssef En-Nesyri, £26m

Edit: Will we go for Connor Gallagher? Chelsea are asking £50m and need to sort out their cash by the end of June...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 5th June 11:49

Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Wednesday 5th June
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And spurs have won something biggrin

Schneider Electric announced that Tottenham Hotspur Football Club has been recognised as a European winner in its annual Sustainability Impact Awards.
https://www.electronicspecifier.com/industries/alt...

48k

13,371 posts

151 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Byker28i said:
And spurs have won something biggrin

Schneider Electric announced that Tottenham Hotspur Football Club has been recognised as a European winner in its annual Sustainability Impact Awards.
https://www.electronicspecifier.com/industries/alt...
The stadium has won more trophies in the last 6 years than the team has won in the last 16 years.

sugerbear

4,170 posts

161 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Interesting that Bayern M have made Dier's loan move permanent. Company for Kane?

sugerbear

4,170 posts

161 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Byker28i said:
Terry Winks said:
Yeah, about £500k off the wage bill in one swoop there, mainly I think because Ivan was on top money.

Sess though, what a disappointment that is all round.
Sess just turned out to be injury prone. Dier will make loan permanent, Millwall were after Tanganga

Latest is links with Sevilla striker Youssef En-Nesyri, £26m

Edit: Will we go for Connor Gallagher? Chelsea are asking £50m and need to sort out their cash by the end of June...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 5th June 11:49
I would like Spurs to try for Jean-Philippe Mateta again, proven experience in the premier league. Spurs have tried to sign him previously. He is being linked with a move to PSG


Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Wednesday 5th June
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sugerbear said:
Interesting that Bayern M have made Dier's loan move permanent. Company for Kane?
Harry's got his wife and 4 kids - Ivy, seven; Vivienne, five; Louis, three; and baby Henry born last year.
I think he's got enough to do without looking after Dier biggrin

TEKNOPUG

19,121 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th June
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sugerbear said:
Interesting that Bayern M have made Dier's loan move permanent. Company for Kane?
Translator.

TEKNOPUG

19,121 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th June
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sugerbear said:
I would like Spurs to try for Jean-Philippe Mateta again, proven experience in the premier league. Spurs have tried to sign him previously. He is being linked with a move to PSG
I'd like us to buy Olmo. No idea whether he'd improve the team or results and I don't really care, as he is real quality and I'd be happy to watch him every week.

Trash_panda

7,483 posts

207 months

Wednesday 5th June
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What happened to tanganga, one minute he seemed good then just disappeared

TEKNOPUG

19,121 posts

208 months

Wednesday 5th June
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Trash_panda said:
What happened to tanganga, one minute he seemed good then just disappeared
It's easy to look competent at fullback if you don't make any howlers. Good though, is a whole different matter. Played half Millwall's games at CB, so I guess that's his level of we are releasing him?

Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?

Byker28i

62,207 posts

220 months

Thursday 6th June
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Maddison coming home, out the England squad. Good news for us as he can concentrate on getting fit and on form again

Guvernator

13,237 posts

168 months

Thursday 6th June
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TEKNOPUG said:
It's easy to look competent at fullback if you don't make any howlers. Good though, is a whole different matter. Played half Millwall's games at CB, so I guess that's his level of we are releasing him?

Given all the money spent on coaches and training facilities and success of youth teams, you wonder whether it's possible to train young players to Prem level or whether the ability is simply inherent and it's down to luck whether you pick up a kid at 13 that turns into a star?
I think it's 80% talent and 20% training. You can't turn an average player into a great one with just training alone.

I also think there is a very healthy dose of luck in who gets given the opportunity. On first look, Kane didn't look like anything special, imagine if he hadn't been given the chance to prove himself.

What I find odd is the amount of youth players who create a lot of noise but then just disappear into obscurity, always find that a bit baffling.