The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 20]

[Chris Stott]

The money is irrelevant. It doesn’t affect how one feels about oneself when under immense pressure, things are relentlessly going wrong, and you can’t find a way to fix them.

Jose doesn’t measure his success by how much he earns.

[Flip Martian]

They get paid extremely well for effectively living the job, for as long as they're in it. But again, that's only the elite - plenty of others get monumental levels of stress and no life/work balance for far far less. But then they seem to love the job, so....

[SWoll]

Chris Stott said:

The money is irrelevant. It doesn’t affect how one feels about oneself when under immense pressure, things are relentlessly going wrong, and you can’t find a way to fix them.

Jose doesn’t measure his success by how much he earns.

For the elite managers it does affect how much one worries about failure when you know there's a substantial payout coming either way though? Compare that to the many small business owners who could be utterly finished if things go wrong I would say the stress is pretty low?

All relative, and as I say at the end of the day it's only a game. ETH finishing 3rd or 9th with MU doesn't really affect anyone's life very much, and if he does get canned he'll get a very tasty severance package I'm sure.

[TownIdiot]

SWoll said:

For the elite managers it does affect how much one worries about failure when you know there's a substantial payout coming either way though? Compare that to the many small business owners who could be utterly finished if things go wrong I would say the stress is pretty low?

All relative, and as I say at the end of the day it's only a game. ETH finishing 3rd or 9th with MU doesn't really affect anyone's life very much, and if he does get canned he'll get a very tasty severance package I'm sure.

I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives those managers and players at the top of the game.
Yes they maximise their earnings but they are driven by ego and a desire for success.

As soon as top players and managers start dialing their performances in then that's the end of them

[SWoll]

So then chaps, after his performance last night what does everyone think Trent's chances are of getting decent game time in the Euro's?

Biased obviously, but I'd say he offers something that no-one else does in the final third, and with our defence looking weak no matter who gets picked I'd say we need to focus all of our efforts on creating chances for our world class attacking players and who better to do that?

Also as I'm doing the official Euro 2024 fantasy football I've got to decide whether to pick him or not as could get a lot of points due to be classed as a defender.

[CountyAFC]

I've only watched the highlights on my phone. Did he mean the goal or was it a cross?

[Challo]

SWoll said:

So then chaps, after his performance last night what does everyone think Trent's chances are of getting decent game time in the Euro's?

Biased obviously, but I'd say he offers something that no-one else does in the final third, and with our defence looking weak no matter who gets picked I'd say we need to focus all of our efforts on creating chances for our world class attacking players and who better to do that?

Also as I'm doing the official Euro 2024 fantasy football I've got to decide whether to pick him or not as could get a lot of points due to be classed as a defender.

I think it will be limited game time. No questioning Trent's qualities with the ball, but the issues are more down the fact he isn't great defending. He looked very good last night, but it was a team ranked 74th in the world and they where pretty poor.

Its fine for sticking Trent in against those teams in friendlies, or qualifiers when you have loads of the ball and they aren't going to offer anything going forward. When your playing against top teams, with elite midfielders he will get found out.

[NRG1976]

TownIdiot said:

SWoll said:

For the elite managers it does affect how much one worries about failure when you know there's a substantial payout coming either way though? Compare that to the many small business owners who could be utterly finished if things go wrong I would say the stress is pretty low?

All relative, and as I say at the end of the day it's only a game. ETH finishing 3rd or 9th with MU doesn't really affect anyone's life very much, and if he does get canned he'll get a very tasty severance package I'm sure.

I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives those managers and players at the top of the game.
Yes they maximise their earnings but they are driven by ego and a desire for success.

As soon as top players and managers start dialing their performances in then that's the end of them

Power and ego are the biggest drivers, just ask anybody very senior at most corporates, money is a secondary given the level of wealth they already have.

[SWoll]

Challo said:

I think it will be limited game time. No questioning Trent's qualities with the ball, but the issues are more down the fact he isn't great defending. He looked very good last night, but it was a team ranked 74th in the world and they where pretty poor.

Its fine for sticking Trent in against those teams in friendlies, or qualifiers when you have loads of the ball and they aren't going to offer anything going forward. When your playing against top teams, with elite midfielders he will get found out.

Ignoring whether he can hang with the best for a minute, our group games are against Denmark, Slovenia and Serbia. Top teams with elite midfielders?

NRG1976 said:

TownIdiot said:

SWoll said:

For the elite managers it does affect how much one worries about failure when you know there's a substantial payout coming either way though? Compare that to the many small business owners who could be utterly finished if things go wrong I would say the stress is pretty low?

All relative, and as I say at the end of the day it's only a game. ETH finishing 3rd or 9th with MU doesn't really affect anyone's life very much, and if he does get canned he'll get a very tasty severance package I'm sure.

I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives those managers and players at the top of the game.
Yes they maximise their earnings but they are driven by ego and a desire for success.

As soon as top players and managers start dialing their performances in then that's the end of them

Power and ego are the biggest drivers, just ask anybody very senior at most corporates, money is a secondary given the level of wealth they already have.

None of which has anything to do with stress levels, which is what I commented on. The consequences of failure are what drive the highest stress levels, and in the case of elite managers those consequences are usually a substantial pay off and job at another big club.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 4th June 10:14

[Challo]

SWoll said:

Challo said:

I think it will be limited game time. No questioning Trent's qualities with the ball, but the issues are more down the fact he isn't great defending. He looked very good last night, but it was a team ranked 74th in the world and they where pretty poor.

Its fine for sticking Trent in against those teams in friendlies, or qualifiers when you have loads of the ball and they aren't going to offer anything going forward. When your playing against top teams, with elite midfielders he will get found out.

Ignoring whether he can hang with the best for a minute, our group games are against Denmark, Slovenia and Serbia. Top teams with elite midfielders?

The issue will come later in the tournament when we get through the group. You would suspect Southgate will play Walker at right back, Rice in the middle along with Bellingham. There is a space, but I doubt it will go to Trent.

[TownIdiot]

SWoll said:

None of which has anything to do with stress levels, which is what I commented on. The consequences of failure are what drive the highest stress levels, and in the case of elite managers those consequences are usually a substantial pay off and job at another big club.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 4th June 10:14

I really don't agree.

People like pep, klopp et al are wired in a different way.

That's why there are so few elite managers.

[Chris Stott]

TownIdiot said:

SWoll said:

None of which has anything to do with stress levels, which is what I commented on. The consequences of failure are what drive the highest stress levels, and in the case of elite managers those consequences are usually a substantial pay off and job at another big club.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 4th June 10:14

I really don't agree.

People like pep, klopp et al are wired in a different way.

That's why there are so few elite managers.

Yeah, for successful people the money isn’t what they think about. They already have more than enough money to last the rest of their life.

The pressure doesn’t come from fear of losing their income but from fear of failure… the consequences are loss of reputation and the mental doubts… ‘have I lost what got me to the top?’

The best example of this is Jose at United… a man with millions in the bank and another huge payout if he got sacked… yet he was completely and utterly destroyed, both physically and mentally in the weeks leading up to his sacking.

[TownIdiot]

Chris Stott said:

Yeah, for successful people the money isn’t what they think about. They already have more than enough money to last the rest of their life.

The pressure doesn’t come from fear of losing their income but from fear of failure… the consequences are loss of reputation and the mental doubts… ‘have I lost what got me to the top?’

The best example of this is Jose at United… a man with millions in the bank and another huge payout if he got sacked… yet he was completely and utterly destroyed, both physically and mentally in the weeks leading up to his sacking.

And he's never been the same since - he was a great manager for a good number of years. He's now just one of those that goes from job to job for the money.

I think it's called The Chimp Paradox.

Once the doubts set in then they are done for.

Klopp never had any doubts, even when he was wrong.

[SWoll]

Chris Stott said:

Yeah, for successful people the money isn’t what they think about. They already have more than enough money to last the rest of their life.

The pressure doesn’t come from fear of losing their income but from fear of failure… the consequences are loss of reputation and the mental doubts… ‘have I lost what got me to the top?’

The best example of this is Jose at United… a man with millions in the bank and another huge payout if he got sacked… yet he was completely and utterly destroyed, both physically and mentally in the weeks leading up to his sacking.

And again, I'm not arguing that they don't feel significant pressure which is usually driven by their own ego's, but from a stress perspective they have it easy compared to many.

Anyway, is anyone else here interested in doing the Euro 24 fantasy competition via the official app? Thought it could be a bit of fun to set up a league for posters here as might be a quiet summer club wise?

[Adam.]

Challo said:

Its fine for sticking Trent in against those teams in friendlies, or qualifiers when you have loads of the ball and they aren't going to offer anything going forward. When your playing against top teams, with elite midfielders he will get found out.

agreed

he is very useful in unlocking defences of lesser teams who are defending deep, I think he would struggle defensively against the better teams

[ChocolateFrog]

SWoll said:

Chris Stott said:

The money is irrelevant. It doesn’t affect how one feels about oneself when under immense pressure, things are relentlessly going wrong, and you can’t find a way to fix them.

Jose doesn’t measure his success by how much he earns.

For the elite managers it does affect how much one worries about failure when you know there's a substantial payout coming either way though? Compare that to the many small business owners who could be utterly finished if things go wrong I would say the stress is pretty low?

All relative, and as I say at the end of the day it's only a game. ETH finishing 3rd or 9th with MU doesn't really affect anyone's life very much, and if he does get canned he'll get a very tasty severance package I'm sure.

Depends how thick your skin is.

Thick skin crack on.

[ChocolateFrog]

SWoll said:

So then chaps, after his performance last night what does everyone think Trent's chances are of getting decent game time in the Euro's?

Biased obviously, but I'd say he offers something that no-one else does in the final third, and with our defence looking weak no matter who gets picked I'd say we need to focus all of our efforts on creating chances for our world class attacking players and who better to do that?

Also as I'm doing the official Euro 2024 fantasy football I've got to decide whether to pick him or not as could get a lot of points due to be classed as a defender.

If he plays more than an hour over the whole tournament I'll be surprised.

[SydneyBridge]

Gomez may play more than TAA, not as a starter obviously

[SWoll]

I think we might be pleasantly surprised in the group stage at least.

We've got a lot of advanced midfielders with a similar skill set in the squad but no-one else I can think of offers what Trent does with longer passes, crosses and dead ball situations? Some of his passing last night and the finish for the goal has got to have asked the question at least.

[TownIdiot]

Not sure I'd be pleasantly surprised to see him playing.
Would much rather he was sat with his feet up, and maybe England rejection might put a rocket up his arse.