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I'll be honest; if it were my money hand on heart I'd buy the Evora.
Your buying a Car that's brand new with all the power and performance of a 911 and the kudos of a Lotus, sure a Porka is a far more polished Car but come on everyone buy's them, I work in the City and every tom dick and Harry owns a 911
I'm not about to knock them as they are great cars but the Evora is history in the making mark my words
The Evora will got from strength to strength, I'm sure there will be power upgrades along this time next year which will carry the Car beyond the currant 911
What we need now is for someone to stick the Evora in GT racing and finish off giving it some pedigree
Boggy
Your buying a Car that's brand new with all the power and performance of a 911 and the kudos of a Lotus, sure a Porka is a far more polished Car but come on everyone buy's them, I work in the City and every tom dick and Harry owns a 911
I'm not about to knock them as they are great cars but the Evora is history in the making mark my words
The Evora will got from strength to strength, I'm sure there will be power upgrades along this time next year which will carry the Car beyond the currant 911
What we need now is for someone to stick the Evora in GT racing and finish off giving it some pedigree
Boggy
If it were me, and you really need 4 seats then I wouldnt be looking at either - I'd be looking at M5s, RS6s etc.
If its a choice between 911 and evora, whilst I agree with Boggy's sentiments, i'd go down the 911 route. You would get into a turbo easily which will be sorted and quick. The evora will evolve into a decent car but you know that when they launch one with a turbo or supercharger (which will come!) you will be gutted to be in a boggo one.
911 now and look at evora in a couple of years, that would be my direction.
If its a choice between 911 and evora, whilst I agree with Boggy's sentiments, i'd go down the 911 route. You would get into a turbo easily which will be sorted and quick. The evora will evolve into a decent car but you know that when they launch one with a turbo or supercharger (which will come!) you will be gutted to be in a boggo one.
911 now and look at evora in a couple of years, that would be my direction.
It depends on your priorities.
- If you're not terribly bothered about steering feel, throttle response, don't mind a non-linear steering rack, and want a fast car with good handling, go for a low mileage fully warrantied 997 C2S from a good Porsche main dealer. My comments there are in comparison to a Lotus, not in comparison to an ordinary saloon car.
- If you're keen on handling, but also want feedback and driving involvement and aren't too bothered about straight line grunt, go for the Evora (although personally I'd wait till the first 200 specced-up cars are out of the way and save a packet!). Bear in mind that most totally new cars have a few niggles, so I expect you'll get a few of those over the ownership period.
I'd question the usefulness of the back seats in either car, but the Evora - there is minimal glass area behind or to the the sides of the back seats, so once the front seats are tilted back and are in place, the occupants are going to feel somewhat entombed, imo.
The Porker does have some real decent glass area behind and to the sides.
The Porker does have some real decent glass area behind and to the sides.
For goodness sake get an Evora!
1) You wouldn't have to change your ph name.
2) The lotus dealer will be on the floor kissing your feet in gratitude every time he sees you.
3) you wouldn't have to drive a 911.
4) other road users will give you the thumbs up and smile at you.
5) You'd be my hero!
1) You wouldn't have to change your ph name.
2) The lotus dealer will be on the floor kissing your feet in gratitude every time he sees you.
3) you wouldn't have to drive a 911.
4) other road users will give you the thumbs up and smile at you.
5) You'd be my hero!
Your save a lot time when you get let out of all those turnings, that alone is worth it over a boring 911!
The Pits said:
For goodness sake get an Evora!
1) You wouldn't have to change your ph name.
2) The lotus dealer will be on the floor kissing your feet in gratitude every time he sees you.
3) you wouldn't have to drive a 911.
4) other road users will give you the thumbs up and smile at you.
5) You'd be my hero!
1) You wouldn't have to change your ph name.
2) The lotus dealer will be on the floor kissing your feet in gratitude every time he sees you.
3) you wouldn't have to drive a 911.
4) other road users will give you the thumbs up and smile at you.
5) You'd be my hero!
Faced the 911 vs Evora choice a few weeks ago, and went for the Porsche.
I wanted something quick and fun, that could also take my two young (under 11) children from time to time.
The rear seats on the 997 coupe are very usable and that was a big factor.
Coupled with the depreciation risk of a brand new Lotus, I let head rule heart and went German. Will look at the Evora again in a couple of years.
I agree that in general Porsches are not 'special', but I live on the Isle of Wight, where it's currently 1978, Porsches are still special here.
I wanted something quick and fun, that could also take my two young (under 11) children from time to time.
The rear seats on the 997 coupe are very usable and that was a big factor.
Coupled with the depreciation risk of a brand new Lotus, I let head rule heart and went German. Will look at the Evora again in a couple of years.
I agree that in general Porsches are not 'special', but I live on the Isle of Wight, where it's currently 1978, Porsches are still special here.
Evora looked stunning and very impressive on top gear last night, and I actually liked it in white with the graphite wheels. Shades of the S1 bond esprit about it in white.
One day, soon hopefully, the world's 911 owners will wake up and look at their cars and say 'what the hell was I thinking?' That way Porsche themselves can let their engineers do what they've wanted to do since the 70's - kill the 911.
I have one 911 owning friend who did just that, took the depreciation like a man (oh yes 911s do depreciation big time) bought and exige and is ashamed to this day that he let his head rule his heart. A sportscar is an all-heart decision. Head says take the train or get a golf diesel. Don't let your head ruin an emotional decision as you'll end up with a 911 and neither heart nor head will be truly happy.
One day, soon hopefully, the world's 911 owners will wake up and look at their cars and say 'what the hell was I thinking?' That way Porsche themselves can let their engineers do what they've wanted to do since the 70's - kill the 911.
I have one 911 owning friend who did just that, took the depreciation like a man (oh yes 911s do depreciation big time) bought and exige and is ashamed to this day that he let his head rule his heart. A sportscar is an all-heart decision. Head says take the train or get a golf diesel. Don't let your head ruin an emotional decision as you'll end up with a 911 and neither heart nor head will be truly happy.
Boggy said:
Lap times:
1:25.7 - Evora
1:26.2 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)
1:26.7 - Porsche Cayman S
you can't argue with the times
Boggy
Whilst times around a track are way down my list of priorities for a road car, I nevertheless find it interesting that the Evora is quicker with considerably less power and less power to weight than the Cayman S or 997 C2S. The Elise and Exige always pulled this trick out of the bag and I suppose it's all down to the incredible grip generated by Lotus' superb suspension tuning.1:25.7 - Evora
1:26.2 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)
1:26.7 - Porsche Cayman S
you can't argue with the times
Boggy
997 just seems like the right car for my circumstances right now.
I'm a huge fan of the Lotus marque (I drive a Giugiaro Esprit, so more like a martyr to the cause!), and I was very excited when project Eagle was announced, seemed like the ideal car for me.
I really wanted to love the Evora, but when it was unveiled there was no 'wow' for me. For whatever reason the styling just didn't look right, or rather wasn't what I'd been expecting. I'm not saying the 997 is a beauty, it isn't, but its design is cohesive and it's a decent modern take on a classic, like a BMW Z8 for example.
In the same way that a Gallardo looks instantly right, the Evora doesn't (IMHO). That's my concern for the model, in terms of sales, styling is just as important as dynamic performance (probably more so). There have been many examples of awful sports cars that sold well because they looked right. I loved my Exige because the performance was addictively brilliant, but also because it looked great, like a proper mini GT racer.
A new Evora with a few boxes ticked is an expensive car, and I couldn't justify the guaranteed depreciation when compared to a 3-year old 997 that has already halved in value. I could if I'd fallen in love with it, but I hadn't. I know the Porsche will carry on losing value too, but not quite as readily as the brand new Lotus.
I'll bide my time with the 997 for now, thrn see how I feel about the Evora in a year or so.
I'm a huge fan of the Lotus marque (I drive a Giugiaro Esprit, so more like a martyr to the cause!), and I was very excited when project Eagle was announced, seemed like the ideal car for me.
I really wanted to love the Evora, but when it was unveiled there was no 'wow' for me. For whatever reason the styling just didn't look right, or rather wasn't what I'd been expecting. I'm not saying the 997 is a beauty, it isn't, but its design is cohesive and it's a decent modern take on a classic, like a BMW Z8 for example.
In the same way that a Gallardo looks instantly right, the Evora doesn't (IMHO). That's my concern for the model, in terms of sales, styling is just as important as dynamic performance (probably more so). There have been many examples of awful sports cars that sold well because they looked right. I loved my Exige because the performance was addictively brilliant, but also because it looked great, like a proper mini GT racer.
A new Evora with a few boxes ticked is an expensive car, and I couldn't justify the guaranteed depreciation when compared to a 3-year old 997 that has already halved in value. I could if I'd fallen in love with it, but I hadn't. I know the Porsche will carry on losing value too, but not quite as readily as the brand new Lotus.
I'll bide my time with the 997 for now, thrn see how I feel about the Evora in a year or so.
The Pits said:
One day, soon hopefully, the world's 911 owners will wake up and look at their cars and say 'what the hell was I thinking?' That way Porsche themselves can let their engineers do what they've wanted to do since the 70's - kill the 911.
You're saying that the one car that has enjoyed sales AND sporting success like no other single car on the planet is crap?
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