420Hp Ugrade from Hanger 111
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I met Greg from Hanger 111 yesterday and he told me that they do an upgrade package now for the Evora and Exige V6 where they change the manifolds, charger pulley ratio and with ECU alterations that gives 420Hp, all developed through Komtec in Germany, and emmissions and TUV approved etc.
He says the clutch and gearbox are capable of working relably with this sort of power increase, although with any increase in power the life of the stressed components will be reduced, if constantly working at max power.
Has anyone had this upgrade done and what are their experiences so far?....other than the bleedin obvious!!
He says the clutch and gearbox are capable of working relably with this sort of power increase, although with any increase in power the life of the stressed components will be reduced, if constantly working at max power.
Has anyone had this upgrade done and what are their experiences so far?....other than the bleedin obvious!!
schrodinger said:
Hmmmm
I struggle with this.
If the upgrade is reliable, why would you not offer a warranty?
Doesn't say a lot for product confidence, does it.
Why struggle go with the I struggle with this.
If the upgrade is reliable, why would you not offer a warranty?
Doesn't say a lot for product confidence, does it.
seriously though I suspect they would warranty the work on the components they have upgraded but you can't expect a company to provide a warranty on anything elseThey don't warranty the drivetrain. How could they warranty parts that they didn't supply? As said, this will increase wear, to an extent, on the exisitng drive train (primarily the gearbox/clutch) plus you'll see higer tyre and brake wear too.
Also worth bearing in mind is that Lotus couldn't get a reliable 444bhp out of this engine for the now defunct Evora GTE.
Also worth bearing in mind is that Lotus couldn't get a reliable 444bhp out of this engine for the now defunct Evora GTE.
Edited by Frimley111R on Monday 9th September 11:26
schrodinger said:
Well it's clearly not reliable then, is it.
If it was, there would be a warranty.
Otherwise, if a con rod goes 5 mins after the change because it can't handle the power....
Its a matter of context and interpretation I thinkIf it was, there would be a warranty.
Otherwise, if a con rod goes 5 mins after the change because it can't handle the power....
Taken from the hanger 11 web site which I have to say seems both reasonable and common practice https://www.hangar111.com/shop/content/3-terms-and...
"MOTORSPORT & PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
Due to the stresses your vehicle may encounter during fast-driving or motorsport-oriented activities which incude but are not limited to Track Days, Hillclimbs, Sprinting and Rallies, Hangar 111 will not guarantee the performance of products sold or the reliability or durability of your vehicle when used for these activities. Hangar 111 will not be liable for any losses incurred due to the failure of components or services provided when a vehicle has been used for motorsport or competition purposes."
Toaster said:
Its a matter of context and interpretation I think
Taken from the hanger 11 web site which I have to say seems both reasonable and common practice https://www.hangar111.com/shop/content/3-terms-and...
"MOTORSPORT & PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
Due to the stresses your vehicle may encounter during fast-driving or motorsport-oriented activities which incude but are not limited to Track Days, Hillclimbs, Sprinting and Rallies, Hangar 111 will not guarantee the performance of products sold or the reliability or durability of your vehicle when used for these activities. Hangar 111 will not be liable for any losses incurred due to the failure of components or services provided when a vehicle has been used for motorsport or competition purposes."
thing is - i don; think that's reasonable _or_ common.Taken from the hanger 11 web site which I have to say seems both reasonable and common practice https://www.hangar111.com/shop/content/3-terms-and...
"MOTORSPORT & PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
Due to the stresses your vehicle may encounter during fast-driving or motorsport-oriented activities which incude but are not limited to Track Days, Hillclimbs, Sprinting and Rallies, Hangar 111 will not guarantee the performance of products sold or the reliability or durability of your vehicle when used for these activities. Hangar 111 will not be liable for any losses incurred due to the failure of components or services provided when a vehicle has been used for motorsport or competition purposes."
eg - take your lotus on non-competitive track days : warranty stands. Take your porsche - warranty stands.
even: buy a new motorsport lotus product - warranty of 6-12 months.
I guess it's caveat emptor. I can understand some would be ok with that. I'm just not. In my view, if you believe in your product, why not back it?
Toaster said:
Exactly then all relevant components should have been beefed up like the Evora GTE
What car offers 420bhp, weighs 1176kg and offers comparable civility (compared to Caterham, Atom etc)?420bhp is barely enough to get a 911 moving these days, the new one has 475bhp. A 420bhp Exige would be much faster.
If offering a year's warranty against unlimited track abuse isn't 'backing your product' I don't know what is.
Think of the damage you can do to a rental car in a weekend?
I have been told from various different sources that the engines are very robust, and the gearboxes are good for over 400hp (although it is the torque that is the killer). The set up is basically reliable, but obviously if used at full chat all the time, the components will not last as long....the question is how long....and indeed how long will they last in the standard car. I know Lotus have done lots of road and track testing, and infact I know someone who was quite close to it so will try to find out more accurate information.
I do not know the full details of the GTE car, but it was more of development hack than anything and only produced 375hp, and it kept blowing up, but that will have been due to the wrong mixture or something silly. As said before the power levels for a supercharged engine are quite lazy. It was also aerodynamically unstable at speed.
As for why don`t I buy another car with more power.....what do you buy? I want to support an English manufacturer and the Evora whilst it has a few glitches, is absolutely fantastic in the way it drives, and is there any other car that is so well resolved (?),...and I like the simplicity...no stupid electric dampers and gizmo`s.... it`s a drivers car with refinement.....perhaps and Exige V6 will give me the extra performance that I crave and which I plan to test drive soon, although it has other compromises which my missus may not be so happy about when touring. Porsche...err no, do not like the image (although no doubt beautifully finished), and from some comments on here are they really as good as the motoring press would have us believe (though the new Cayman S seems to be something special, but then isn't every new car??). Ferrari...hmmm love the engine...a mate has just bought an F430 and thinks its fantastic, but even though he is a good driver, seems intimidated by the thing, so what`s the point of that....and I am not a multimillionaire and whilst theoretically I could buy a 458 Italia, I do not want to push my finances to do so.
Also even if I do trade for an Exige V6, I`ll want to have that uprated to 420Hp when the warranty runs out!!...probably.
Having done a couple of trackdays, the biggest improvement will be made by simply fitting more suitable tyres....and in truth the current power level is very well judged...I think it is simply that the chassis is so good, that it feels at times like it is being held back.
With regard to the warranty side of things, clearly it is nearly impossible for Hangar 111 to warrant the Lotus. The only way to gain confidence is to find out how those brave enough to convert their cars get on longer term....and it is probably too short term just now....although the kit has been developed in Germany and is TUV approved, so should be ok.
I do not know the full details of the GTE car, but it was more of development hack than anything and only produced 375hp, and it kept blowing up, but that will have been due to the wrong mixture or something silly. As said before the power levels for a supercharged engine are quite lazy. It was also aerodynamically unstable at speed.
As for why don`t I buy another car with more power.....what do you buy? I want to support an English manufacturer and the Evora whilst it has a few glitches, is absolutely fantastic in the way it drives, and is there any other car that is so well resolved (?),...and I like the simplicity...no stupid electric dampers and gizmo`s.... it`s a drivers car with refinement.....perhaps and Exige V6 will give me the extra performance that I crave and which I plan to test drive soon, although it has other compromises which my missus may not be so happy about when touring. Porsche...err no, do not like the image (although no doubt beautifully finished), and from some comments on here are they really as good as the motoring press would have us believe (though the new Cayman S seems to be something special, but then isn't every new car??). Ferrari...hmmm love the engine...a mate has just bought an F430 and thinks its fantastic, but even though he is a good driver, seems intimidated by the thing, so what`s the point of that....and I am not a multimillionaire and whilst theoretically I could buy a 458 Italia, I do not want to push my finances to do so.
Also even if I do trade for an Exige V6, I`ll want to have that uprated to 420Hp when the warranty runs out!!...probably.
Having done a couple of trackdays, the biggest improvement will be made by simply fitting more suitable tyres....and in truth the current power level is very well judged...I think it is simply that the chassis is so good, that it feels at times like it is being held back.
With regard to the warranty side of things, clearly it is nearly impossible for Hangar 111 to warrant the Lotus. The only way to gain confidence is to find out how those brave enough to convert their cars get on longer term....and it is probably too short term just now....although the kit has been developed in Germany and is TUV approved, so should be ok.
The Pits said:
What car offers 420bhp, weighs 1176kg and offers comparable civility (compared to Caterham, Atom etc)?
420bhp is barely enough to get a 911 moving these days, the new one has 475bhp. A 420bhp Exige would be much faster.
If offering a year's warranty against unlimited track abuse isn't 'backing your product' I don't know what is.
Think of the damage you can do to a rental car in a weekend?
Hmmm that made me smile and have bad thoughts 420bhp is barely enough to get a 911 moving these days, the new one has 475bhp. A 420bhp Exige would be much faster.
If offering a year's warranty against unlimited track abuse isn't 'backing your product' I don't know what is.
Think of the damage you can do to a rental car in a weekend?
CTE said:
I do not know the full details of the GTE car
Here http://www.lotuscars.com/sites/default/files/docum...Toaster said:
CTE said:
I do not know the full details of the GTE car
Here http://www.lotuscars.com/sites/default/files/docum...Lots of issues though - seems for whatever reason too much work was done by Mansory in the early stages with no input from Lotus Engineering with lots of issues meaning it wasn't road legal or reliable, then handed back to Lotus Engineering to try and make it work. Engine and the SPS gearbox were both troublesome, wider track was all done with standard suspension and spacers on the wheels and the bodykit had aerodynamic and type approval problems.
schrodinger said:
Well it's clearly not reliable then, is it.
If it was, there would be a warranty.
Otherwise, if a con rod goes 5 mins after the change because it can't handle the power....
So if I thrashed the fk out of my engine and knew it was 'on its way out' and then fitted an s/c which pushed the engine 'over the edge' would Komotec be responsible for my entire engine?If it was, there would be a warranty.
Otherwise, if a con rod goes 5 mins after the change because it can't handle the power....
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