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Hi all,
Been away from lotus for too long. Sold my exige s in 2008 due to daughter arriving. Then bought a range rover sport and now driving a MY 12 BMW 730D
Wifey has a 4 door evoque so defo room in the family for a 2 door sports car!
I don't do massive amounts of miles a year and the Evora ticks all the boxes for me in +2 guise.
Previous to the exige was a 2006 viper and before that a 2003 360 spider. Both great cars but not +2 so not an option.
I drove the normally aspirated 2011 model followed by the 2012 sports racer Saturday just gone.
The sports racer felt so much better that my mind was made up in a flash that I want a supercharged
The interior is massively improved in the 2012 model but I just can't convince myself it's circa £10k to £20k better when comparing old model with new model prices.
The evora s has depreciated in line with most new vehicles and I would just rather buy a 1 - 2 year old car.
I also drove a 57 plate black Porsche turbo tech art which is on AT for circa £48k. Beautiful car and super fast but looks wise it just doesn't do it for me.
Bottom line is that i have set my mind on a model year 11 supercharged evora.
Must have tech pack and relatively low mileage.
Im open to colours but not really interested in silver or carbon and not that keen on racing green.
Really like the red and black cars with oyster at jct 600 but both NA and both sold now anyway.
I'm not in a mad rush as the 730 still has 5 months to go on the two year lease I signed, however if the right car raises its pretty head I can move quickly.
Is Any one out there thinking of selling?
Edit: Please feel free to PM me !
Been away from lotus for too long. Sold my exige s in 2008 due to daughter arriving. Then bought a range rover sport and now driving a MY 12 BMW 730D
Wifey has a 4 door evoque so defo room in the family for a 2 door sports car!
I don't do massive amounts of miles a year and the Evora ticks all the boxes for me in +2 guise.
Previous to the exige was a 2006 viper and before that a 2003 360 spider. Both great cars but not +2 so not an option.
I drove the normally aspirated 2011 model followed by the 2012 sports racer Saturday just gone.
The sports racer felt so much better that my mind was made up in a flash that I want a supercharged
The interior is massively improved in the 2012 model but I just can't convince myself it's circa £10k to £20k better when comparing old model with new model prices.
The evora s has depreciated in line with most new vehicles and I would just rather buy a 1 - 2 year old car.
I also drove a 57 plate black Porsche turbo tech art which is on AT for circa £48k. Beautiful car and super fast but looks wise it just doesn't do it for me.
Bottom line is that i have set my mind on a model year 11 supercharged evora.
Must have tech pack and relatively low mileage.
Im open to colours but not really interested in silver or carbon and not that keen on racing green.
Really like the red and black cars with oyster at jct 600 but both NA and both sold now anyway.
I'm not in a mad rush as the 730 still has 5 months to go on the two year lease I signed, however if the right car raises its pretty head I can move quickly.
Is Any one out there thinking of selling?
Edit: Please feel free to PM me !
Edited by screem on Friday 26th April 12:13
Hi all,
Following a lengthy chat with Chris from lotus hedge End I now find myself contemplating a MY 2012 S.
On google I have found reference to 150 changes being made to the 2012 car however I can't find a link to these changes anywhere on google.
Does anybody have a link to all the changes or can just give me a detailed summary of the changes and whether these changes can be easily carried out to the earlier models?
Basically I'm trying to gauge the value of these changes so I can find my "tipping point" in my search for the right car?
Thanks
Following a lengthy chat with Chris from lotus hedge End I now find myself contemplating a MY 2012 S.
On google I have found reference to 150 changes being made to the 2012 car however I can't find a link to these changes anywhere on google.
Does anybody have a link to all the changes or can just give me a detailed summary of the changes and whether these changes can be easily carried out to the earlier models?
Basically I'm trying to gauge the value of these changes so I can find my "tipping point" in my search for the right car?
Thanks
Edit - here is the link: http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Category:Lotus_Evora
Woza said:
Try searching on google for 'seloc tech wiki ' plenty of info on the Evora there
How did you find service from Hedge End? I was extremely disappointed on a recent visit.
Thanks for the reply. Chris who I spoke to seemed really knowledgeable and very easy to talk too.How did you find service from Hedge End? I was extremely disappointed on a recent visit.
Had a lengthy chat. Returned my call quickly and he also sent contact details by email with an invitation to call him anytime even late into the evening if necessary. All fine really. It's interesting to hear that you experienced something different. What was your experience?
Edit: thanks for the link!
IIRC most of the updates are quality related and not obvious from the outside apart from the general interior leather/equipment quality. The only thing I noticed was that the door pins (locks) inside the doors have now gone. Problem is that one you look at a MY12+ its hard to go back. I started at a £40k 'S' and am now at a new 'S' Sports Racer!
I bought a £40k 2011 S and think it is bloody marvellous...although not perfect...the gearchange could be a bit better, and one or two interior items could be better. That said, for what I paid for it I am not unhappy.....other than the need for more power, but that is my issue.
If I had the spare funds, I would have to try some other serious metal first, but having recently been on a road trip with some very nice cars (various 911`s/XKR R Jag/360 Ferrari/Aston V12/8 Vantages/M3 BMW etc), the overall handling/performance and of the Evora is very hard to beat, so I would buy a new one, but you have to accept the initial depreciation with any new car purchase.. I guess the new Cayman S is very serious competition, and in many ways the more complete car, but will it really drive like the Evora?? Whilst I think Porsche make great cars...I do not like the image! Going to a higher performance 911 or Audi R8/10 is going to cost loads more. I do not get why the motoring press always seem to say the Evora is overpriced. Porsche may have a lower list price pro rata, but by the time you add a few sensible extras they usually cost more. Of course you could buy a Nissan GTR, if that floats your boat. Phenomenal performance, but....
If I had the spare funds, I would have to try some other serious metal first, but having recently been on a road trip with some very nice cars (various 911`s/XKR R Jag/360 Ferrari/Aston V12/8 Vantages/M3 BMW etc), the overall handling/performance and of the Evora is very hard to beat, so I would buy a new one, but you have to accept the initial depreciation with any new car purchase.. I guess the new Cayman S is very serious competition, and in many ways the more complete car, but will it really drive like the Evora?? Whilst I think Porsche make great cars...I do not like the image! Going to a higher performance 911 or Audi R8/10 is going to cost loads more. I do not get why the motoring press always seem to say the Evora is overpriced. Porsche may have a lower list price pro rata, but by the time you add a few sensible extras they usually cost more. Of course you could buy a Nissan GTR, if that floats your boat. Phenomenal performance, but....
Frimley111R said:
IIRC most of the updates are quality related and not obvious from the outside apart from the general interior leather/equipment quality. The only thing I noticed was that the door pins (locks) inside the doors have now gone. Problem is that one you look at a MY12+ its hard to go back. I started at a £40k 'S' and am now at a new 'S' Sports Racer!
Yes I had read that the door seals and lock mechanism were definitely upgraded to offer a more satisfying "clunk" on door closure. I also heard that the clutch had been changed and is not quite as time consuming to Replace, still a big job to replace but not quite as big. Apparently the changes made to the clutch also allow revs to rise and fall much more quickly?lol, you're not kidding about changing your mind, I started at a 2010 NA for circa £30K and am now considering 2012 S for circa £40 - £50k !
To quote someone that contacted me recently with a very nice 2012 car in black with Paprika: ,"There isnt a great deal of choice out there so be prepared to compromise!"
You probably know already but if youre in the market for a new sports racer, There are some pretty good 1, 2 and 4 year deals on finance if you have a healthy deposit to put down:
http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/our-cars/current-range...
Yep. The door seals were definately one. I doubt the clutch allows the revs to rise and fall quicker. This is more typical of fitting a lightweight flywheel and isn't something I've heard of on an Evora.
The finance deals are compelling on the SR. Only 1.9%, a new car and loaded with £8k of kit for free now (S model). The more you look at the £50k+ cars the harder is it not to think 'For not a lot more I could have a new SR'. The lowe interest rate vs. what you would pay on an outside loan is quite significant. I spoke to one guy who looked at a Cayman and said that the interest would have been £9000 and on the SR it was £2500! You can tweak the finance deals too so that you vary your deposit.
The finance deals are compelling on the SR. Only 1.9%, a new car and loaded with £8k of kit for free now (S model). The more you look at the £50k+ cars the harder is it not to think 'For not a lot more I could have a new SR'. The lowe interest rate vs. what you would pay on an outside loan is quite significant. I spoke to one guy who looked at a Cayman and said that the interest would have been £9000 and on the SR it was £2500! You can tweak the finance deals too so that you vary your deposit.
Frimley111R said:
Yep. The door seals were definately one. I doubt the clutch allows the revs to rise and fall quicker. This is more typical of fitting a lightweight flywheel and isn't something I've heard of on an Evora.
The finance deals are compelling on the SR. Only 1.9%, a new car and loaded with £8k of kit for free now (S model). The more you look at the £50k+ cars the harder is it not to think 'For not a lot more I could have a new SR'. The lowe interest rate vs. what you would pay on an outside loan is quite significant. I spoke to one guy who looked at a Cayman and said that the interest would have been £9000 and on the SR it was £2500! You can tweak the finance deals too so that you vary your deposit.
Absolutely right about the finance and is a no brainer once your into the mid or late 50s as a budget.The finance deals are compelling on the SR. Only 1.9%, a new car and loaded with £8k of kit for free now (S model). The more you look at the £50k+ cars the harder is it not to think 'For not a lot more I could have a new SR'. The lowe interest rate vs. what you would pay on an outside loan is quite significant. I spoke to one guy who looked at a Cayman and said that the interest would have been £9000 and on the SR it was £2500! You can tweak the finance deals too so that you vary your deposit.
Found this on evo about the clutch plate/flywheel:
What is it?
The Lotus Evora S in updated 2012 model year trim. The British sports car company is keen to address criticisms of the model’s trim quality while setting the stall for its upcoming, upmarket range of new sports and supercars. The supercharged Evora S 2+2 you see here costs £64,190.
Technical highlights?
The 3.5-litre V6 has never sounded or felt quite as feisty as its outputs – 276bhp in the regular model, 345bhp in the supercharged ‘S’ – suggest, so a number of tweaks have been made to bring some much-needed zest to its performance.
First, there are new engine mounts, which control the motor’s mass better at low speed and thus allow a more aggressive throttle map.
Second is a revised flywheel and clutch pack that allow it to rev faster. Material has been machined from the flywheel almost halving its inertia, and a lighter clutch-plate mates to it, so the engine revs rise and fall more quickly. Both of these changes benefit the gearshift, and significantly there are now higher-quality cables offering less friction, lowering the shift loads.
Lotus has also discovered the exhaust valve. Turn the key and the Evora S – handsome in optional Starlight Black with gloss black wheels – fires with a flourish before settling to a loping, quiet V6 whirr. The valve comes with a new silencer and opens up at 4700rpm, or from 1500rpm in Sport mode.
What’s it like to drive?
The first 1000 metres are a bit special. By the time you’ve covered this distance from the Hethel factory gates you are once again reminded of the exceptionally supple, connected relationship the Evora’s chassis has with the road, even the occasionally tumultuous surfaces hereabouts. But that’s now joined by a more precise edge from the drivetrain; the gearlever slices around the revised, closer gate with a weight and directness, and enjoyable tactility, that’s a significant improvement over the previous set-up.
On top of this, the supercharged V6 is much sharper and more positive from low revs. It’s as if a great mass has been lifted from it and the sound of it being exercised is now more engaging and characterful. In Sport it is louder than before but it now has a convincing voice from low down, and the richness of the note and natural way it builds up to the red line make the performance seem more freely given.
The chassis remains the single most impressive aspect of the car. Many of the formerly unique ‘S’ chassis parts have been rolled onto the non-supercharged model as they make the car keener, don’t impact on refinement and simplify production. With P Zero Corsas and the 19in front/20in rear wheel option, there’s more grip than you need but it’s a beautifully poised car. Tweaks to the set-up have been wrought for greater straight-line tracking stability and improved steering effort build-up in cornering, and they deliver.
How does it compare?
The Evora’s strengths have undoubtedly been added to, but it’s still hard to forget about the not significantly more expensive Porsche 911. In all-new 991 iteration you’ll pay £71K for a 345bhp Carrera, which will be more practical than the Evora. Equivalent outgoing 997 cars, including the brilliant Carrera GTS, will now be attainable for prices very close to the Evora S’s price tag.
Anything else I need to know?
The standard Evora costs £53K and gets a 276bhp/258lb ft naturally aspirated version of the 3.5-litre V6. While it’s a second slower to 60mph and its top speed is 10mph worse off, it also offers a chunky saving and was evo’s 2009 Car of the Year.
Frimley111R said:
Yep. The door seals were definately one. I doubt the clutch allows the revs to rise and fall quicker. This is more typical of fitting a lightweight flywheel and isn't something I've heard of on an Evora.
From an online article - "The flywheel which has 46% less inertia improves engine response and the 36% reduction in clutch inertia means easier changes over 6,000 RPM and a quicker shift as the gearbox syncromeshes have more time to align the gears."Although the Evora 'S' has always used a lighter flywheel than the N/A, the low inertia flywheel wasn't actually used on the Evora 'S'(as stated above) so a 2012/13MY still uses the flywheel (and clutch) that it always has done. However the new Exige 'S' did adopt the low inertia flywheel.
Dainty Ankles said:
Although the Evora 'S' has always used a lighter flywheel than the N/A, the low inertia flywheel wasn't actually used on the Evora 'S'(as stated above) so a 2012/13MY still uses the flywheel (and clutch) that it always has done. However the new Exige 'S' did adopt the low inertia flywheel.
Hi,That's terrible that the information put out to the press says one thing while the reality is something completely different!
Do you have a link to this info or can i ask how you know about this?
Steve
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