Evora trumped by its new British master - Ginetta.

[dandarez]

Lotus will not like this! Latest issue of AUTOCAR.

The Ginetta G60 says Autocar is this year's most exciting new sports car.
8 pages of a comparison test and it beats not only the Evora but the Audi R8!

[Tuna]

Good for Ginetta, I hope they can maintain the momentum.

It's a very odd review though, and emphasises how diverse the market is in that area - Ginetta v's Audi and Nissan... but no Porsche?

[dandarez]

Tuna said:

Good for Ginetta, I hope they can maintain the momentum.

It's a very odd review though, and emphasises how diverse the market is in that area - Ginetta v's Audi and Nissan... but no Porsche?

Funny you mention Porsche. Autocar says the intention was to compare the G60 back to back with the entry level Cayman, but they said it turned out to be a complete mismatch - the poor old Cayman doesn't get much of a look in dynamically. It could never get close to what's on offer in the G60. You'd need a Cayman R at least, they say, to be remotely on similar terms. Even then, Autocar says, the dynamic gap would be more like a chasm.

I love it, but then I'm a long standing Ginetta fan!

[Tuna]

dandarez said:

Funny you mention Porsche. Autocar says the intention was to compare the G60 back to back with the entry level Cayman, but they said it turned out to be a complete mismatch - the poor old Cayman doesn't get much of a look in dynamically. It could never get close to what's on offer in the G60. You'd need a Cayman R at least, they say, to be remotely on similar terms. Even then, Autocar says, the dynamic gap would be more like a chasm.

It has to be said the entry level Cayman costs £30,000 less than the G60. The Ginetta's in 911 territory price wise, and four or five grand more than the nicely evolving Evora S. Given the relatively bare bones interior you've got to love your handling above all else to want one. That didn't help the early Evoras sell, despite Lotus putting the Cayman in the shade dynamically, so Ginetta's modest sales targets may be a challenge.

dandarez said:

I love it, but then I'm a long standing Ginetta fan!

We know, and yet we still let you in here ;-)

[srob]

dandarez said:

I love it, but then I'm a long standing Ginetta fan Lotus hater!

EFA

[The Pits]

Ginetta, Farbio, whatever it's called these days.

No. Not even close.

The Evora is a hugely better ownership proposition. And to my eyes much better looking.

And there's people thinking the evora was expensive!

I wish Ginetta well as a british sports car maker but it's not for me.

[DVR]

As a long time Porsche owner (I still have one collector and my last DD was a 997 Turbo) I am considering the Evora S for my next daily. The Evora is extremely nice looking but up until now lacked in the quality department. I believe that issue has been addressed with the MY12 update. I saw it at the IAA in Germany and was impressed.

Would I be considering this car without ABS, ESP, power steering, etc ? Sorry but no way.
Would I accept a car with a kit car dashboard/interior ? Sorry but again no.

Do you honestly think Lotus can't build an ultra light weight Evora with similar power to weight as the G ?
Of course they can and they might but sales would be low compared to a normal Evora.

You do not really like Lotus and you love Ginetta. Good for you. As car lovers we should be passionate about our favorite brand.
You started 3 separate topics just to say Ginetta beat Lotus. You truly are really deeply in Love and we all know love is blind

Edited by DVR on Friday 28th October 21:57

[justin220]

The Ginetta looks like a £10k kit car to me, that someone built in their garage. Its also got the interior to match. Yet its almost double the price of a Cayman?

I'll have whatever they are smoking!

Also, if its a 'British 911' why not compare it to a proper 911?

I guess the proof will be in how many sales it gets.. The Evora is really struggling, so it doesn't look to good for Ginetta

[Thorburn]

DVR said:

Do you honestly think Lotus can't build an ultra light weight Evora with similar power to weight as the G ?
Of course they can and they might but sales would be low compared to a normal Evora.

Plus the new V6 engined Exige S is the same weight, more powerful, and about £20k cheaper...

[donna180]

Autocar were a bit critical of the MY12 Evora in their Best Handling Car article a few weeks ago compared to the launch model - also interesting that the journo thinks the GT-R steering is more feelsome than the Evora.... - I wonder if the MY12 updates are all positive or whether (build quality aside) the Evora was sweeter in pre MY12 form or whether MY12 is an improvement - interested if anyone has driven both on the road?

[Oilchange]

I can't help thinking the journo was smoking something when he said the GTRs steering was more feelsome than the lotus. Maybe he's right but I simply can't see it myself...

[Tuna]

I get the impression that the first review of just about any car in some magazines is always positive "beats all the competition".. and it's only a while down the line that you start hearing criticisms.

[CTE]

Yes I agree with the last comment, to the point that it`s hard to believe anything written by journo`s anymore....they have to sell print somehow I guess.

I met a journo (Autoexpress) who was road testing the new Aventor the other day, and he described the the GTR as very "electric" i.e. efficient but lacking in feel!...very fast obviously.

I think it depends as to what rocks your boat....most of the cars being talked about here have massive performance and capabilities beyond most drivers...it`s all pub talk and bragging rights really.

[blueg33]

justin220 said:

The Ginetta looks like a £10k kit car to me, that someone built in their garage. Its also got the interior to match. Yet its almost double the price of a Cayman?

I'll have whatever they are smoking!

Also, if its a 'British 911' why not compare it to a proper 911?

I guess the proof will be in how many sales it gets.. The Evora is really struggling, so it doesn't look to good for Ginetta

They only plan to sell 50 pa.

I have just read the article and it is interesting, it is the way the car handles that really floats the boat of the journalist and they say that the cayman is completely trounced by the G60.

The pics in the magazine are much better than any seen online and in them the G60 doesn't look like a kit car. The interior is simple and the equipment limited but that is what makes the car perform they way it does.

I reckon Ginetta will easily sell 50 pa. I fancy a drive in one as I could be tempted away from the Tuscan.

[donna180]

blueg33 said:

justin220 said:

The Ginetta looks like a £10k kit car to me, that someone built in their garage. Its also got the interior to match. Yet its almost double the price of a Cayman?

I'll have whatever they are smoking!

Also, if its a 'British 911' why not compare it to a proper 911?

I guess the proof will be in how many sales it gets.. The Evora is really struggling, so it doesn't look to good for Ginetta

They only plan to sell 50 pa.

I have just read the article and it is interesting, it is the way the car handles that really floats the boat of the journalist and they say that the cayman is completely trounced by the G60.

The pics in the magazine are much better than any seen online and in them the G60 doesn't look like a kit car. The interior is simple and the equipment limited but that is what makes the car perform they way it does.

I reckon Ginetta will easily sell 50 pa. I fancy a drive in one as I could be tempted away from the Tuscan.

One guys view who seems to always praise the latest models when they come out..... The Guy that ran the Cayman in the current issue as a long termer said he preferred the Cayman (basic non-s) for his money over the rivals in that test.

[blueg33]

donna180 said:

One guys view who seems to always praise the latest models when they come out..... The Guy that ran the Cayman in the current issue as a long termer said he preferred the Cayman (basic non-s) for his money over the rivals in that test.

Its always subjective, whatever the car, whatever the magazine. That's why I want to drive one for myself. Personally I think the Cayman S is a good car, but I hated driving it, same with a 996 4S and Audi RS4 and R8. It depends what you want from a car.

[Thorburn]

Yep, magazines and reviews are a good starting point for research, but you'd be foolish to completely discount a car you're seriously considering based on a bad review without driving it yourself.

[toppstuff]

Come on, this is Autocar. Surely the most inconsistent, hackneyed motoring magazine out there. The editorial standards are shocking, and have been for ages.

I do not believe a word they say.

At least they did'nt put up a so called scoop photoshop of some new car on the cover. You know, the ones they design themselves....

It is a comic, only good for a dentists waiting room.

[dmpriso]

Oilchange said:

I can't help thinking the journo was smoking something when he said the GTRs steering was more feelsome than the lotus. Maybe he's right but I simply can't see it myself...

True. As an owner of both an Evora and a GT-R I can confirm that the GT-R's steering isn't even close to the Evora's.

[Scuffers]

if you know the history of this cars development history, some may have to take back their comments in this thread.


Not a huge Ginetta fan, but that's quite a car, very different from their other stuff