Not Great ! Evora S vs BMW 1M

[Boggy]

6 Minutes 25 Seconds Nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzx1Y-kryLw : This really isn't good, if it can't even compete with a saloon, I'm very disheartened

Boggy

[bogie]

LOL ...do you think the Beemer was a "factory demonstrator" or a customer car? dosent take much to wind up a turbo car for TV purposes now does it...its not like they are dynoing them all beforehand

...figures dont add up to me ...mind you, neither does the Nissan GTR on paper, that really does seem to break the laws of physics

[Tuna]

It's been said in other threads - you can stick a big engine in a stock car, tune it up and get a cheap rocket that'll out-drag most exotica. So what? If you want a fast saloon, get the BMW, or a Holden or.. you can even get a damn fast Ford Pickup.

I was quite a fan of the early GTI's, so it's fair enough for BMW to have a go. Not a car I could lust after, but still a bit of fun.

What was more disappointing was that the Evora S still left a few feet to the Porsche. Hmmm..

[Vladimir Pukin]

Did you notice that the reaction times of the Evora and Cayman seemed conveniently slower.

A telly drag race really shouldn't matter but OP is right.

LOTUS ARE YOU LISTENING? - THE EVORA NEEDS TO BE LIGHTER AND MORE POWERFUL AT THE SAME PRICE.

As little as -50kgs, +25bhp should make a difference. Then I really will get my cheque book out.

While you're at it, make the nose less pointy and get rid of the silly pinched in waistline under the doors.

Edited by Vladimir Pukin on Monday 27th June 13:59

[300bhp/ton]

bogie said:

LOL ...do you think the Beemer was a "factory demonstrator" or a customer car? dosent take much to wind up a turbo car for TV purposes now does it...its not like they are dynoing them all beforehand

...figures dont add up to me ...mind you, neither does the Nissan GTR on paper, that really does seem to break the laws of physics

PEAK figures mean little though. Drag racing involves putting the power down, getting off the line, gearing, shifting and how and where the engine makes it's power.

I've not seen a dyno plot for the 1M, but suspect it has a beefy low and mid range torque band. So I suspect the 1M is making a good amount of rwhp a good amount of the time.

[300bhp/ton]

Boggy said:

6 Minutes 25 Seconds Nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzx1Y-kryLw : This really isn't good, if it can't even compete with a saloon, I'm very disheartened

Boggy

Isn't that totally (and I mean by miles... ) missing the point of cars like the Evora?

[justin220]

Notice how they didn't compare lap times?!

[Vladimir Pukin]

300bhp/ton said:

Boggy said:

6 Minutes 25 Seconds Nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzx1Y-kryLw : This really isn't good, if it can't even compete with a saloon, I'm very disheartened

Boggy

Isn't that totally (and I mean by miles... ) missing the point of cars like the Evora?

Yes it is to a large extent, but it looks like a supercar and has to back that up with some straight line grunt to be taken seriously.

Edited by Vladimir Pukin on Monday 27th June 14:05

[300bhp/ton]

Vladimir Pukin said:

300bhp/ton said:

Boggy said:

6 Minutes 25 Seconds Nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzx1Y-kryLw : This really isn't good, if it can't even compete with a saloon, I'm very disheartened

Boggy

Isn't that totally (and I mean by miles... ) missing the point of cars like the Evora?

Yes it is to a large extent, but it looks like a supercar and has to back that up with some straight line grunt.

But it's not exactly slow is it? And lets face it, in the UK and even Europe standing start or even rolling drag races are not overly common.

The Evora S looked like it matched the Cayman R pretty well too. If it hadn't been for the poor start I suspect it'd have beaten the Porsche.

A quick Google seems to suggest the 1M is no quicker over the 1/4 mile than a Camaro SS or Mustang GT 5.0 and slower than a Shelby GT500.

In fact a 1999 Fixed Roof Coupe Corvette C5 will run similar 1/4 mile times to the 1M if the stats are correct.

I do admit and suspect the 1M for the TG review was highly likely to be running just a wee bit better than a standard one

But then who'd to say the Porsche and Lotus weren't factory supplied with equal opportunity to maximise performance?

[Vladimir Pukin]

300bhp/ton said:

But it's not exactly slow is it? And lets face it, in the UK and even Europe standing start or even rolling drag races are not overly common.

The Evora S looked like it matched the Cayman R pretty well too. If it hadn't been for the poor start I suspect it'd have beaten the Porsche.

A quick Google seems to suggest the 1M is no quicker over the 1/4 mile than a Camaro SS or Mustang GT 5.0 and slower than a Shelby GT500.

In fact a 1999 Fixed Roof Coupe Corvette C5 will run similar 1/4 mile times to the 1M if the stats are correct.

I do admit and suspect the 1M for the TG review was highly likely to be running just a wee bit better than a standard one

But then who'd to say the Porsche and Lotus weren't factory supplied with equal opportunity to maximise performance?

They're all quicker than my current car that's for sure.

[Tuna]

I quite like this site for random comparisons:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/bmw_1er_m_c...

Summary - 1 series is faster in a straight line, despite giving away 20bhp/tonne to the Evora S (hmmmm). Max speed in the Evora is 277kph v's 250 for the BMW. The Evora is a second faster round the Hockenheim Short track. If you want to play top trumps, choose your preference - outright speed or agility.

[JACK6284]

Back to basics though, looks.

BMW 1 series: you can't polish a turd!

[limpsfield]

I think the BMW was faster around the track too, when they put the time up there.

Who cares though? If you buy your cars by going through Top trumps to choose then it will be an issue. if you are normal I don't think it is that big a deal.

I like the little BMW but would still have the Evora.

[GKP]

limpsfield said:

I think the BMW was faster around the track too, when they put the time up there.

The Evora S hasn't done a timed lap of TG's circuit, only the NA car.

[300bhp/ton]

GKP said:

limpsfield said:

I think the BMW was faster around the track too, when they put the time up there.

The Evora S hasn't done a timed lap of TG's circuit, only the NA car.

Either way it'll always be a moot point, the track was wet for the 1M, so we'll not know how quick it could really go round the TG track anyway.

[Boggy]

300bhp/ton said:

Isn't that totally (and I mean by miles... ) missing the point of cars like the Evora?

Of course I understand what you're saying, the Evora S would beat it around a track but it really doesn't look good getting out dragged by a car that is 20k cheaper, better finished and in all honesty if you're not a lotus fan makes it look like an expensive car, this is the last thing Lotus needed

Boggy

[Boggy]

limpsfield said:

I think the BMW was faster around the track too, when they put the time up there.

Who cares though? If you buy your cars by going through Top trumps to choose then it will be an issue. if you are normal I don't think it is that big a deal.

I like the little BMW but would still have the Evora.

Sorry I disagree, Everyone with the exception of us Lotus fan's listen to this nonsense mark my words. The Evora should have ran ring's around it, it's a sports saloon for god's sake, and not even their fastest one

Boggy

[bobo]

300bhp/ton said:

Isn't that totally (and I mean by miles... ) missing the point of cars like the Evora?

why? whats the rationale for it being under powered?

a £65/70k 2+2 mid engine 'sports car' car should be able to hold its own against a 40k bmw saloon. end of story. if not, logic suggests its incredibly mis priced.

the 1M isnt a jap job designed to run silly boost at a cheap price, its actually an incredible package - go drive one!

enough of the 'it will have it in the corners' rubbish please. thanks !

[limpsfield]

Boggy said:

limpsfield said:

I think the BMW was faster around the track too, when they put the time up there.

Who cares though? If you buy your cars by going through Top trumps to choose then it will be an issue. if you are normal I don't think it is that big a deal.

I like the little BMW but would still have the Evora.

Sorry I disagree, Everyone with the exception of us Lotus fan's listen to this nonsense mark my words. The Evora should have ran ring's around it, it's a sports saloon for god's sake, and not even their fastest one

Boggy

But I think that, at the moment at least, if you are in the market for a £60k sports car and judge your opinions on TG lap times then Lotus probably isn't on your radar anyway and you are likely to be considering more mainstream manufacturers.

[300bhp/ton]

Boggy said:

Of course I understand what you're saying, the Evora S would beat it around a track but it really doesn't look good getting out dragged by a car that is 20k cheaper, better finished and in all honesty if you're not a lotus fan makes it look like an expensive car, this is the last thing Lotus needed

Boggy

It was the same for Porsche however?