Shoulder exercise identification?
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Hi, I've seen people performing this exercise in the gym, yet I've no idea what it is. It looks like some sort of messed up lateral raise and I can't seem to perform it myself but would like to know what it is anyway:
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They are lateral raises, just a slightly different angle to target the posterior Delts as well as the lateral Delts. Just like an incline, flat or decline bench press targets different area's of your Pecs and engages some extra synergist muscles.
It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
mattikake said:
They are lateral raises, just a slightly different angle to target the posterior Delts as well as the lateral Delts. Just like an incline, flat or decline bench press targets different area's of your Pecs and engages some extra synergist muscles.
It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
They are lateral raises but you are wrong in saying the posterior deltoids are being targeted.To do that the chap in the gif would have to be leaning fairly far It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
forwards,which it is clear from the diagram he is not.He is upright.If anything because the elbows are dropped at the top of the lift the anterior deltoids are used.
A poor lat raise.
goldblum said:
mattikake said:
They are lateral raises, just a slightly different angle to target the posterior Delts as well as the lateral Delts. Just like an incline, flat or decline bench press targets different area's of your Pecs and engages some extra synergist muscles.
It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
They are lateral raises but you are wrong in saying the posterior deltoids are being targeted.To do that the chap in the gif would have to be leaning fairly far It's not being done wrong, just at a more advanced level than simple lateral raises. It's worth adding something like this to your Delt routine for the variety.
forwards,which it is clear from the diagram he is not.He is upright.If anything because the elbows are dropped at the top of the lift the anterior deltoids are used.
A poor lat raise.
In fact it's a good compound exercise for hitting synergist muscles in your upper back as well, such as some rhomboid and teres major involvement.
An upright lateral raise will hit lateral delts, infraspinatus (first 30 degrees of the raise) and traps.
For a complete and balanced shoulder workout both raises should/can be included. Both are excellent lateral raises.
mattikake said:
No i am not wrong. Read what i put again. As a duely qualified personal trainer, i'm telling you that a bent over lateral raise will target the lateral AND posterior delts. It is not an isolation exercise.
In fact it's a good compound exercise for hitting synergist muscles in your upper back as well, such as some rhomboid and teres major involvement.
An upright lateral raise will hit lateral delts, infraspinatus (first 30 degrees of the raise) and traps.
For a complete and balanced shoulder workout both raises should/can be included. Both are excellent lateral raises.
Wow you must be the only qualified PT on the forum.In fact it's a good compound exercise for hitting synergist muscles in your upper back as well, such as some rhomboid and teres major involvement.
An upright lateral raise will hit lateral delts, infraspinatus (first 30 degrees of the raise) and traps.
For a complete and balanced shoulder workout both raises should/can be included. Both are excellent lateral raises.
Think you need your eyesight testing, o great and wise one who is 'duely qualified', lol,the chap in question ISN'T leaning forwards.So he's not hitting posterior delts.
Can of worms time...
I appreciate that we need to train with good form to avoid injury. When you're climbing, you're 99% of the time pulling or pushing significant weight with terrible form - you might be leaning or twisting or bending in awkward angles with one hand behind you and the other above your head with two fingertips holding your body up, trying to pull one foot up while the other foot is on one toe (ie like I was yesterday). Comments?
Also, if you train with bad form, won't you train other supporting muscles?
I appreciate that we need to train with good form to avoid injury. When you're climbing, you're 99% of the time pulling or pushing significant weight with terrible form - you might be leaning or twisting or bending in awkward angles with one hand behind you and the other above your head with two fingertips holding your body up, trying to pull one foot up while the other foot is on one toe (ie like I was yesterday). Comments?
Also, if you train with bad form, won't you train other supporting muscles?
mattikake said:
Contacting the dumbbells at the start of the concentric action is what forces a leaned-forward stance, and hence immediately targets the posterior Delts.
This is a common example of a good-form demo.
Take from me, this exercise is correct, good and deliberate.
Not in the gif in question it doesn't.This is a common example of a good-form demo.
Take from me, this exercise is correct, good and deliberate.
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