Propranolol for public speaking

Propranolol for public speaking

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Luke.

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Just wondering if anyone found it effective?

ShadownINja

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Better than helium, I suppose. Tried NLP?

Wikipedia lists precautions and contraindications.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 18th September 21:25

Luke.

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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ShadownINja said:
Better than helium, I suppose. Tried NLP?
Helium. Good shout. Just have to get the canister on stage. Don't s'pose anyone will notice smile

ShadownINja

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Luke. said:
ShadownINja said:
Better than helium, I suppose. Tried NLP?
Helium. Good shout. Just have to get the canister on stage. Don't s'pose anyone will notice smile
If you did that, I'm sure you'll be fine afterwards. I edited the reply: have a look at Wikipedia.

Luke.

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Fine afterwards re the Propranolol?

grumbledoak

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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You'd take a Beta Blocker for public speaking? You're mental.

Try preparation and practice, and possibly a small amount of alcohol just beforehand.

ShadownINja

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Luke. said:
Fine afterwards re the Propranolol?
I mean the helium. After 5 minutes of talking like that, any subsequent embarrassing feelings and awkwardness will have died down.

But simply, as above, being prepared plus having a decent understanding of your subject plus possibly enthusiasm for the subject will help immensely.

Luke.

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grumbledoak said:
You'd take a Beta Blocker for public speaking? You're mental.

Try preparation and practice, and possibly a small amount of alcohol just beforehand.
Why mental if it's an effective way of diminishing the physical symptoms of anxiety?

grumbledoak

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Beta Blockers are powerful drugs with long lists of side effects, many of them nasty.

Seriously, go speak to your doctor, not the internet.

Luke.

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grumbledoak said:
Beta Blockers are powerful drugs with long lists of side effects, many of them nasty.

Seriously, go speak to your doctor, not the internet.
It's one of the most prescribed drugs in the world. And musicians left, right and centre seem to take it to combat stage fright/nerves. I think the list of side effects is somewhat overstated.

whoami

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Saturday 18th September 2010
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Good luck with that Dr Luke.

Luke.

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whoami said:
Good luck with that Dr Luke.
Thanks. teacher

drivin_me_nuts

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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Luke. said:
grumbledoak said:
Beta Blockers are powerful drugs with long lists of side effects, many of them nasty.

Seriously, go speak to your doctor, not the internet.
It's one of the most prescribed drugs in the world. And musicians left, right and centre seem to take it to combat stage fright/nerves. I think the list of side effects is somewhat overstated.
... and why do you think the same musicians keep having to take the same rubbish time and time again? Take the drugs if you want to, you seemed to have talked yourself into them, or deal with the root causes of the anxiety / stage fright in the first place. Your call.

Luke.

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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I've tried the more pragmatic approach but time is of the essence at the mo.

NiceCupOfTea

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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drivin_me_nuts said:
Luke. said:
grumbledoak said:
Beta Blockers are powerful drugs with long lists of side effects, many of them nasty.

Seriously, go speak to your doctor, not the internet.
It's one of the most prescribed drugs in the world. And musicians left, right and centre seem to take it to combat stage fright/nerves. I think the list of side effects is somewhat overstated.
... and why do you think the same musicians keep having to take the same rubbish time and time again? Take the drugs if you want to, you seemed to have talked yourself into them, or deal with the root causes of the anxiety / stage fright in the first place. Your call.
In my experience beta blockers have ruined more musicians' careers than they has saved. Used to be rife in the classical music world. Nerves is what gives you that edge for performance. IMHO forget the drugs and just make sure you're prepared. Practice speaking in front of friends/family, tape yourself so you can watch back, speak slowly and project.

dudleybloke

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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try salvia.
have a nice pipe of x20 before you have to speak and you'l be fine.

mrsshpub

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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grumbledoak said:
Beta Blockers are powerful drugs with long lists of side effects, many of them nasty.

Seriously, go speak to your doctor, not the internet.
This. Apart from anything else, they can cause serious brain chemistry problems in some people.

ShadownINja

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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NiceCupOfTea said:
In my experience beta blockers have ruined more musicians' careers than they has saved. Used to be rife in the classical music world. Nerves is what gives you that edge for performance.
Really? (Not in a sarcastic way that "Really?" is often used these days but in a genuinely interested to know more way.) How did it ruin their careers? Why the classical music world? And aren't we better when we're relaxed if we have to perform?

NiceCupOfTea

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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Relaxed, yes. But in order to perform well you need to have an "edge" - what gives performers and audiences alike that "buzz" - otherwise we would just sit at home and listen to recordings!

Beta blockers remove that edge, and people tend to give much flatter boring performances - which is no good for them, those around them, or audiences.

Speaking personally I would far rather hear a live performance with that edge, that buzz that gets you tingling, with a few mistakes, than a boring note perfect flat performance.

Unfortunately, a lot of people listen to their recordings at home with every single note edited to be perfect, and expect perfection at performances - which by the definition of performers being human, will almost never happen.

As a result there is a huge pressure on performers to play perfectly every time - screw up a couple of times and people start asking questions, the pressure is greater, you are more likely to make a mistake, and the cycle continues. When your mortgage depends on it it's pretty much the ultimate in performance related pay!

So many take beta blockers - but lack of that edge is just as undesireable, people become dependant mentally on taking them, and it's a slippery slope.

I wouldn't go near them personally.

ETA - I only say the classical world as that is my sphere of experience.

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Sunday 19th September 13:30

ShadownINja

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Sunday 19th September 2010
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Oh, I see. I guess I don't attend enough live performances to appreciate the difference.