Opinions please.....
Discussion
In brief, I eat a healthy and balanced diet but essentially do not eat meat (I eat fish). I feel very good on the diet, plenty of energy and generally in a good state and have been since I changed my diet in 2005.
Over the last few years though I have started having joint problems; both knee cartiliges have been trimmed in the past (2000 and about 2004), but now I have problems with my shoulders and one hip. One shoulder required an operation to reattach some tendon to the bone, probably as a result of an old skiing injury and the other I damaged early this year whilst skiing and seems to have some tendon damage (scans on this shoulder later this year) accordingto my physio and consultant.
The hip looks to be "wearing out" but again scans not yet undertaken (due to limitations on my health care plan) so I'm not sure if it is a skeletal problem or issues with tendons and ligaments.
The question, although related to these specifics, is quite general; as essentially a non meat eater am I missing some essential amino acids/proteins that should be helping me repair damage to tendons or even preventing their injury?
I do eat protein from fish, goat and sheep dairy, pulses and seeds etc. I also take supplements of Chondritine, glucosamine, calcium and omega oils.
TIA.
Over the last few years though I have started having joint problems; both knee cartiliges have been trimmed in the past (2000 and about 2004), but now I have problems with my shoulders and one hip. One shoulder required an operation to reattach some tendon to the bone, probably as a result of an old skiing injury and the other I damaged early this year whilst skiing and seems to have some tendon damage (scans on this shoulder later this year) accordingto my physio and consultant.
The hip looks to be "wearing out" but again scans not yet undertaken (due to limitations on my health care plan) so I'm not sure if it is a skeletal problem or issues with tendons and ligaments.
The question, although related to these specifics, is quite general; as essentially a non meat eater am I missing some essential amino acids/proteins that should be helping me repair damage to tendons or even preventing their injury?
I do eat protein from fish, goat and sheep dairy, pulses and seeds etc. I also take supplements of Chondritine, glucosamine, calcium and omega oils.
TIA.
I don't know the answer to your question.
Do you not eat meat for ethical/religious reasons or do you just not fancy it?
A well balanced diet including all the major food groups is usually recommended but there are many who get by as you do. Maybe try including some quality meat for a few months to see if it improves - it doesn't have to be more than a few servings a week; skinless chicken breasts and a small steak once or twice a week are unlikely to do any harm, although I have no idea how a body unused to such 'treats' will react. Probably wind.
Do you not eat meat for ethical/religious reasons or do you just not fancy it?
A well balanced diet including all the major food groups is usually recommended but there are many who get by as you do. Maybe try including some quality meat for a few months to see if it improves - it doesn't have to be more than a few servings a week; skinless chicken breasts and a small steak once or twice a week are unlikely to do any harm, although I have no idea how a body unused to such 'treats' will react. Probably wind.
LordGrover said:
I don't know the answer to your question.
Do you not eat meat for ethical/religious reasons or do you just not fancy it?
A well balanced diet including all the major food groups is usually recommended but there are many who get by as you do. Maybe try including some quality meat for a few months to see if it improves - it doesn't have to be more than a few servings a week; skinless chicken breasts and a small steak once or twice a week are unlikely to do any harm, although I have no idea how a body unused to such 'treats' will react. Probably wind.
"get by as you do"? Assuming for a moment that the lack of meat eating is resulting in a deterioration of the cartilage, then it's hardly "getting by". As to the effect of eating meat once or twice a week, it won't do any harm. I'm 90% vegetarian... I eat a bit of meat/bat for the other side at the weekends. Do you not eat meat for ethical/religious reasons or do you just not fancy it?
A well balanced diet including all the major food groups is usually recommended but there are many who get by as you do. Maybe try including some quality meat for a few months to see if it improves - it doesn't have to be more than a few servings a week; skinless chicken breasts and a small steak once or twice a week are unlikely to do any harm, although I have no idea how a body unused to such 'treats' will react. Probably wind.
I'm lazy so don't cook meat at home. I eat it when I go out or visit the parents.If the OPer is having fish oil supplements and glucosamine (supposedly good for the joints) then it would suggest something else... nothing to do with rheumatoid arthritis is it? Or simply overweight? You haven't stated your weight - you eat healthily but fat people can eat healthily and remain fat... they just eat a lot of it. (Yes, Jamie Oliver is a clueless, slack-tongue t
t when it comes to food.)Edited by ShadownINja on Wednesday 21st July 14:07
Nope, not fat. Self calculated (yeah, I know - rough only but at last an indication that all is well)BMI of about 22 and percentage body fat of just under 15. I run regularly, follow a Patrick Holfordesque diet and until the shoulder problems worked out at the gym 3 - 4 times per week. Resting heart beat of about 52 or so at present.
I don't eat meat for health reasons; too many indications that meat is not as healthy for us as we would like to think. I used to be a staunch meat eater (mixed grill man!) but now just don't need it. However, on very odd occasions I will eat some (tried horse steak in France this year as I'd never had it before, and goat a couple of years previous for the same reason) and the only problem I have is that it feels like a lump of lead in my gut for a few days.
Yeah, as I eat fish and take supplements I would think that I am getting enough of the right nutrients, but the problem with dietary advice (and my wife does have a qualification) is that it is varied and seems to change. Meat is a killer, to meat is mandatory, to blood group diets etc.
So I thought I would see if there is anyone on here that has some specific knowledge. I'm happy to add a litle meat into my diet to try,but as for 2 - 3 time per week I'm not sure. A lot of what I read says (a) max portion size of 3oz and (b) 2 - 3 times per MONTH. Fish should only be 2 - 3 times per week.
With the shoulder problems it seems to be tendon rather than bone so I would guess not RA. But, I don't really know.......
BTW I'm 50 and I consider myself pretty damned fit for my age, and fitness and gym work have been a constant for the last 30 years and give me the 'high' that I need more than anything else.
Ho-hum....
I don't eat meat for health reasons; too many indications that meat is not as healthy for us as we would like to think. I used to be a staunch meat eater (mixed grill man!) but now just don't need it. However, on very odd occasions I will eat some (tried horse steak in France this year as I'd never had it before, and goat a couple of years previous for the same reason) and the only problem I have is that it feels like a lump of lead in my gut for a few days.
Yeah, as I eat fish and take supplements I would think that I am getting enough of the right nutrients, but the problem with dietary advice (and my wife does have a qualification) is that it is varied and seems to change. Meat is a killer, to meat is mandatory, to blood group diets etc.
So I thought I would see if there is anyone on here that has some specific knowledge. I'm happy to add a litle meat into my diet to try,but as for 2 - 3 time per week I'm not sure. A lot of what I read says (a) max portion size of 3oz and (b) 2 - 3 times per MONTH. Fish should only be 2 - 3 times per week.
With the shoulder problems it seems to be tendon rather than bone so I would guess not RA. But, I don't really know.......
BTW I'm 50 and I consider myself pretty damned fit for my age, and fitness and gym work have been a constant for the last 30 years and give me the 'high' that I need more than anything else.
Ho-hum....
ShadownINja said:
T40ORA said:
a Patrick Holfordesque diet
Please expand? To what extent?Low GL rather than low GI, so slow release carbs. Protein with every meal, but not excessive protein.
Of course, over time you slip a bit and need to remind yourself to get back on course; but essentially (and in summary) the above is the intention. Slippage occurs around caffeine (green tea and chocolate) and processed foods (wheat free organic cereals rather than oats, take aways and some cauldron style prepared meals).
He also proposes an 80/20 rule with 80% good. I tend to try to keep the 20% for alcohol, as I do love real ale.
Blood pressure good enough for a teenager, and as I already said resting pulse rate at about 52 at present.
Nightshade relatives (potatoes, aubergines, peppers etc) can trigger arthritis.
Glucosamine may also potentially be lacking in your diet.
Fructose can also cause joint pain as it increases uric acid.
I personally follow a Ray Audette style paleo way of eating, so no grains, dairy, legumes/pulses, limited modern fruits, plenty of fresh veg, meat and fish.
Glucosamine may also potentially be lacking in your diet.
Fructose can also cause joint pain as it increases uric acid.
I personally follow a Ray Audette style paleo way of eating, so no grains, dairy, legumes/pulses, limited modern fruits, plenty of fresh veg, meat and fish.
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