Deep rooted depression
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Forgive the anonimity.
If you have a deep rooted depression where do you go? After many years you now understand some of the root causes - some are events, some are perception issues.
I don't want to go down drug therapy route - as I want to address the underlying cause. I have tried traditional counselling, psychotherapy and CBT. No results. CBT was the least helpful.
I did read about the Hoffnung process in Sunday Times. Very expensive - and possibly rubbish.
Dont' know where to start or finish for that matter.
If you have a deep rooted depression where do you go? After many years you now understand some of the root causes - some are events, some are perception issues.
I don't want to go down drug therapy route - as I want to address the underlying cause. I have tried traditional counselling, psychotherapy and CBT. No results. CBT was the least helpful.
I did read about the Hoffnung process in Sunday Times. Very expensive - and possibly rubbish.
Dont' know where to start or finish for that matter.
Depression is s
t, try and relax as much as you can and savour any small victories and enjoyment you get.
Hang in there things will improve.#
The me time sport is probably a good idea, as it releases all sorts of chemicals in the body and gives a chance to listen to what ever music you choose.
t, try and relax as much as you can and savour any small victories and enjoyment you get.Hang in there things will improve.#
The me time sport is probably a good idea, as it releases all sorts of chemicals in the body and gives a chance to listen to what ever music you choose.
Edited by Engineer1 on Monday 14th June 22:15
anonymauser said:
If you have a deep rooted depression where do you go? After many years you now understand some of the root causes - some are events, some are perception issues.
No idea what the Hoff-whatsit technique is, sorry. However, if there are specific events that have acted as a catalyst, you might want to research EMDR and/or Sensorimotor therapy to see if it might be helpful for you.Don't totally discount drug therapy either - it's not a fix, but it can give you enough breathing space to let the talking therapies work. Certainly CBT can be quite difficult when you're in a hole - believe me, I know this from personal experience.
Other things I have found helpful, at first hand, for alleviating the symptoms are
increased sunlight/use of a dawn simulator/high dose vit D supplements
omega 3 oils (e.g. see http://www.instincttoheal.org/ )
cutting back on sugars, alcohol and caffeine
mindfullness/meditation (e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mindful-Way-Through-Depres... )
Take care
x
I'm in pretty much the same position. Councilling was useless as it was common sense logic applied to something that often makes no sense. I got fed up of paying someone to tell me what I already knew so went for the drugs. Result is that they have just as many disadvantages, if not more so, than advantages.
I think I realise now that the problem is simply how my brain works, although realising when I don't interprit something as others would is an important step. PM or email me (not sure how it works on here) if you would like to talk, although you may have to be patient as I've broken my collar bone and can only use one hand...
I think I realise now that the problem is simply how my brain works, although realising when I don't interprit something as others would is an important step. PM or email me (not sure how it works on here) if you would like to talk, although you may have to be patient as I've broken my collar bone and can only use one hand...
NHS for me was cr@p - you are part of a 'factory' line - limited line over a minimum number of weeks.
Luckily my wife's employer falls into a different area and managed through that to get access to an NHS funded independent counselling service. (Another part of the NHS lottery - if I lived 10 miles away I would have qualified outright for this rather than through a back door method). A dozen hours over a similar number of weeks helped me greatly.
Not all counsellors are the same - personalities do make a difference, let alone their technique. Don't give up on this, although I have not heard of the method you mention.
Everyone has different motivators. I like to be busy - like the mention of exercise. I also realise I have a long term problem which I need to manage. But right now things are pretty good.
Have you also explored what support local groups like Mind might be able to offer. Again, these things vary between towns, but they are a charity trying to benefit a large number of people with limited resources.
Luckily my wife's employer falls into a different area and managed through that to get access to an NHS funded independent counselling service. (Another part of the NHS lottery - if I lived 10 miles away I would have qualified outright for this rather than through a back door method). A dozen hours over a similar number of weeks helped me greatly.
Not all counsellors are the same - personalities do make a difference, let alone their technique. Don't give up on this, although I have not heard of the method you mention.
Everyone has different motivators. I like to be busy - like the mention of exercise. I also realise I have a long term problem which I need to manage. But right now things are pretty good.
Have you also explored what support local groups like Mind might be able to offer. Again, these things vary between towns, but they are a charity trying to benefit a large number of people with limited resources.
The mindfullness book oldbanger recommends has a good reputation amongst professionals. I know a couple of psychiatrists who recommend it.
I'd also agree about the treating medication as a breathing space.
I think that ultimately the solutions come from yourself, what you need are the tools/methods/drugs to give you the space you need to handle things/understand things. Counselling can be very useful or a waste of time, but it depends on the counsellor.
I'd also agree about the treating medication as a breathing space.
I think that ultimately the solutions come from yourself, what you need are the tools/methods/drugs to give you the space you need to handle things/understand things. Counselling can be very useful or a waste of time, but it depends on the counsellor.
I have quite alot of experience with helping people through depression and bipolar and there is a lot to be said about getting to and resolving the root causes that lie at the root of depression.
The reality is that for many people, talk therapy is not enough. It's not good enough just to sit around talking about xyz, the answer lies in actually resolving the triggers once and for all. Likewise with CBT - the issues you are facing are not logical. Logic doesn't apply to matters that have 'non logical thinking' behind them, for example the circular thinking that lies behind triggers of what people used to say.
There are people out there who have the skills, time and patience to help you get through this. Keep looking, you will find them. Don't ever give up on finding YOUR answer - because your way out it is completely unique to you. You can do it.
All the best
The reality is that for many people, talk therapy is not enough. It's not good enough just to sit around talking about xyz, the answer lies in actually resolving the triggers once and for all. Likewise with CBT - the issues you are facing are not logical. Logic doesn't apply to matters that have 'non logical thinking' behind them, for example the circular thinking that lies behind triggers of what people used to say.
There are people out there who have the skills, time and patience to help you get through this. Keep looking, you will find them. Don't ever give up on finding YOUR answer - because your way out it is completely unique to you. You can do it.
All the best
There is an alternative medicine called Kinesiology. Depression is one of the conditions which they seem to think that they can treat effectively - well, place the body in a position to heal itself. I know someone who suffered very, very badly from a similar condition, and within a month of her appointment, was back on the mend.
In your shoes I would give it a try.
In your shoes I would give it a try.
Jasandjules said:
There is an alternative medicine called Kinesiology. Depression is one of the conditions which they seem to think that they can treat effectively - well, place the body in a position to heal itself. I know someone who suffered very, very badly from a similar condition, and within a month of her appointment, was back on the mend.
In your shoes I would give it a try.
Hmm, I'm going to look into this In your shoes I would give it a try.
Nothing to lose OP
Maybe try a different counsellor. It's one of those things that may depend hugely on who you see.
Don't be too scared of anti-depressants. Going on them for a few months may help you rebuild your thoughts, relationships and activities so that when you come off them you're ok again. If you do go down this route be prepared to have some bizarre side effects and try maybe three or four different drugs before you find any that work. I've heard mixed reports of herbal remedies such as St John's Wort. They're probably worth a go.
As others above have said, diet and exercise can have a big effect.
HTH and best of luck.
Don't be too scared of anti-depressants. Going on them for a few months may help you rebuild your thoughts, relationships and activities so that when you come off them you're ok again. If you do go down this route be prepared to have some bizarre side effects and try maybe three or four different drugs before you find any that work. I've heard mixed reports of herbal remedies such as St John's Wort. They're probably worth a go.
As others above have said, diet and exercise can have a big effect.
HTH and best of luck.
drivin_me_nuts said:
I have quite alot of experience with helping people through depression and bipolar and there is a lot to be said about getting to and resolving the root causes that lie at the root of depression.
'Through' suggests a starting point. What if you've always been depressed?V8mate said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
I have quite alot of experience with helping people through depression and bipolar and there is a lot to be said about getting to and resolving the root causes that lie at the root of depression.
'Through' suggests a starting point. What if you've always been depressed?Nothing works for me better than my bike. Totally changed my life, I still have problems, days when I cant stop crying and want to hurt myself.. but a decent ride every couple of days, even an extended commute via the fun way really does wonders and the feeling lasts for some time. I feel 'Normal' afterwards, an emotion I haven't felt whilst sober for nearly as long as I can remember.
andy_s said:
Sorry to hear that, I've no advice except that a friend of mine was going through a patch and took up running. It was his 'me' time and gave him something to work at and feel better for having done.
This may, of course, be a st idea. Please feel free to discard at any time
Running has worked wonders for me. This may, of course, be a s
t idea. Please feel free to discard at any time It doesn't take much to get started, and I found it the easiest type of exercise to fit into my schedule.
It stopped me from feeling so bloody angry all the time too.
Cheers for replying.
Already on a good diet - lots of fruit and veg no junk (well rarely). No caffine, don't smoke and rarely drink.
Have very little time due to children. Take them cycling and on walks and exercise 4 times a week if I can.
Will look into the suggestions above. You know it's worth sorting when you cry yourself to sleep at night
Already on a good diet - lots of fruit and veg no junk (well rarely). No caffine, don't smoke and rarely drink.
Have very little time due to children. Take them cycling and on walks and exercise 4 times a week if I can.
Will look into the suggestions above. You know it's worth sorting when you cry yourself to sleep at night
anonymauser said:
Will look into the suggestions above. You know it's worth sorting when you cry yourself to sleep at night
Sorry to hear that - but do definitely sort it - that's not right and it needs to be sorted. You may actually be bipolar, in which case you should read up on it and seek help - it's very definite thing and fairly simple to recognise.Jayzee said:
Hmm, I'm going to look into this
Nothing to lose OP
Good stuff. It is really freaky (and sounds like utter nonsense) but I now know a couple of people who Doctors could not help, who have both tried this and it seems to work. Nothing to lose OP
Nothing to lose, and so much to gain if it works.
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