Homeopathy Cured My Cancer

Homeopathy Cured My Cancer

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Silent1

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19,761 posts

242 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFm4uCxbMU0&fea...

FFS, this woman must be certifiable. I'm all for homeopathy being used as an effective placebo, but actually claiming it works is ridiculous.

Art_Vandelay

6,690 posts

191 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Silent1 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFm4uCxbMU0&fea...

FFS, this woman must be certifiable. I'm all for homeopathy being used as an effective placebo, but actually claiming it works is ridiculous.
What an idiot. Probably giving false hope to a few desperate people too.

Silent1

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19,761 posts

242 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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http://www.badscience.net/

Is a good read it's written by Dr Ben Goldacre and he's been up to the select committee on homeopathy quite a few times explaining it's rubbish and it seems the MPs have listened to him and are making the right moves to stop it.

johnfm

13,668 posts

257 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Silent1 said:
http://www.badscience.net/

Is a good read it's written by Dr Ben Goldacre and he's been up to the select committee on homeopathy quite a few times explaining it's rubbish and it seems the MPs have listened to him and are making the right moves to stop it.
Good read.

But I have gone off him - he is a strong MMGW believer. Odd really.

Silent1

Original Poster:

19,761 posts

242 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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johnfm said:
Silent1 said:
http://www.badscience.net/

Is a good read it's written by Dr Ben Goldacre and he's been up to the select committee on homeopathy quite a few times explaining it's rubbish and it seems the MPs have listened to him and are making the right moves to stop it.
Good read.

But I have gone off him - he is a strong MMGW believer. Odd really.
Yes sadly he is sucked in by the MMGW thing, the other one i read is www.sciencepunk.com, i started reading it when he started it and he's pretty good, not so direct but produces some awesome articles.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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This lady had all the conventional treatment...

singlecoil

34,242 posts

253 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
This lady had all the conventional treatment...
We do only have her word for it, though, and her claims do tie in very nicely with her new business........

ShadownINja

77,462 posts

289 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
This lady had all the conventional treatment...
It's like those products that claim to reduce your weight:
Kebabs! Eating one large kebab a day can reduce your weight when eaten as part of a healthy lifestyle! (Namely, by not eating for the rest of the day and going on a 50km run.)

Beardy10

23,731 posts

182 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Have to say I a massive cynic about this kind of stuff.

However Homeopathy worked wonders for my wife during pregnancy. She had something called Hyper Emesis which is a really extreme form of morning sickness (she could hardly eat or drink anything without being sick) and can often carry on for the full term. The only conventional medicine that worked was when she was hospitalised and given medication through IV means....obviously staying in hospital for nine months was not something my wife wanted to do.

Anyway out of desperation for a more manageable solution she went to see a Homeopath who prescribed some medication....three days later she was absolutely fine.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Beardy10 said:
Have to say I a massive cynic about this kind of stuff.

However Homeopathy worked wonders for my wife during pregnancy. She had something called Hyper Emesis which is a really extreme form of morning sickness (she could hardly eat or drink anything without being sick) and can often carry on for the full term. The only conventional medicine that worked was when she was hospitalised and given medication through IV means....obviously staying in hospital for nine months was not something my wife wanted to do.

Anyway out of desperation for a more manageable solution she went to see a Homeopath who prescribed some medication....three days later she was absolutely fine.
Psychological issues causing the vomiting then?

Silent1

Original Poster:

19,761 posts

242 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
Beardy10 said:
Have to say I a massive cynic about this kind of stuff.

However Homeopathy worked wonders for my wife during pregnancy. She had something called Hyper Emesis which is a really extreme form of morning sickness (she could hardly eat or drink anything without being sick) and can often carry on for the full term. The only conventional medicine that worked was when she was hospitalised and given medication through IV means....obviously staying in hospital for nine months was not something my wife wanted to do.

Anyway out of desperation for a more manageable solution she went to see a Homeopath who prescribed some medication....three days later she was absolutely fine.
Psychological issues causing the vomiting then?
certainly sounds attributable to the placebo effect

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Indeed...

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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No-one said it does... The placebo effect is the plecebo effect, no matter how it is 'administered'...

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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anonymous said:
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Yup, but who really gives a fk what they say? Get rid of homeopathy, and doctors will still just prescribe placebos in other forms. Homeopathy will simply go on being a private business, where idiots are fleeced.

Oakey

27,793 posts

223 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Why is it these people can sell this useless junk and it's all perfectly legal but try and sell someone cuttings from a plant that's been around since the dawn of time and can be shown to be beneficial and you're a criminal hehe

ShadownINja

77,462 posts

289 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Fing is, if a doc gives someone a pill to cure them and says "This is a placebo, it doesn't have any real effects on your illness." then it isn't going to be very effective. However, if a doc says, "Try this homeopathy pill. It's been proven to work." then the job will be done. So is it such a waste of money?

ShadownINja

77,462 posts

289 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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anonymous said:
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Well, let's call it moheopathy, then, and start a new industry to confuse the masses as long as people become better. wink

The_Doc

5,112 posts

227 months

Friday 26th February 2010
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wiki said:
Hahnemann advocated 30C dilutions for most purposes (that is, dilution by a factor of 10 to the power 60). In Hahnemann's time it was reasonable to assume that remedies could be diluted indefinitely, as the concept of the atom or molecule as the smallest possible unit of a chemical substance was just beginning to be recognized. We now know that the greatest dilution that is reasonably likely to contain one molecule of the original substance is 12C.
So beyond the 12C 'strength' of the bloody medicine (and you pay more for stronger tabs), there is unlikely to be a single molecule of whatever 'active' substance was there in the first place.



sagt550

231 posts

195 months

Friday 26th February 2010
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The problem with all of the homepathy arguments is that they all centre around anecdotal based evidence which isn't statistically significant (i.e. my mate tried it and got better). The fact of the matter is that in CLINICAL trials homeopathy performs no better than a placebo and therefore should be described as such.




Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

262 months

Friday 26th February 2010
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sagt550 said:
The problem with all of the homepathy arguments is that they all centre around anecdotal based evidence which isn't statistically significant (i.e. my mate tried it and got better). The fact of the matter is that in CLINICAL trials homeopathy performs no better than a placebo and therefore should be described as such.
That is what it is being prescribed as. You don't tell people it;s a placebo, and calling it Homeopathy is probably quite convenient.