PH Parents of 2009 - A Question

[cslgirl]

Just interested to see what you will be doing.

[maddog993]

It's been done to death on these pages and it is really not an argument: There is no reason WHATSOEVER not to go with the combined MMR as compared to individual vaccines. Combined MMR is one of the safest most efficacious vaccines in the world and the scaremongering propagated originally by Andrew Wakefield was exposed as complete crap. He was found by the GMC to have acted 'dishonestly and irresponsibly' by having suggested any links with autism and combined MMR.

Your child is actually exposed to a higher risk with individual vaccines due to the time between inoculations.

It's unfortunate that it's a question still being asked when it really should by now be a dead issue.

Edited by maddog993 on Friday 29th January 15:18

[cslgirl]

Fair enough.

What made me start thinking again about it was watching the Wright Stuff this morning and something Matthew Wright said about when they last debated it, the amount of calls they received re autism. You can't ignore real stories and it naturally puts doubt in your mind.

But anyway don't want to argue about it (hence the poll). Was just interested to see what the majority thought.

Edited by cslgirl on Friday 29th January 16:00

[maddog993]

(I'm not wanting an argument either); But there's a huge difference between - on the one side - at best, patchy anecdotal evidence (eg people that ring into dodgy chat shows that are fuelled of necessity by controversy- mostly contrived) and - on the other - rigorous, extensive research based epidemiological evidence of which there is a vast amount pertaining to the efficacy of the combined MMR.

There is not a single study that has suggested a risk of autism from giving combined MMR
There are countless studies that have found no link whatsoever between the two.
Propagation of the myth (presumably some of those featured on Mathew Wright's programme) were found to involve mainly regressive autism - (which research has shown would have appeared whether MMR was given or not) -, ignored the fact that autism is a developmental disorder which only becomes apparent in the second year of life - ie often shortly after the MMR would have been given, giving lie to the perceived 'cause & effect'.

Over 500 million combined MMR vaccines have been successfully administered in over 90 countries over thirty years. It has an 'enviable safety record' (according to the World Health Organisation).

As regards individual vaccines: Administering the doses separately does not reduce any likelihood of adverse effects and actually increases the chances of infection by the two diseases not initially vaccinated against during the delay to the next one (at least four weeks between each). Individual vaccines are NOT licensed in the UK - they have not passed the UK's safety & effectiveness tests.

If that charlatan hadn't been trying to cynically and shamefully line his own pockets through bogus 'research' and deception this thread wouldn't exist.

Edited by maddog993 on Friday 29th January 17:15

[cslgirl]

I understand what you are saying. It would just be nice to have a choice. I think you just have to do what you think is right and go with it.

I am looking at this post

http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17...

Maybe people are looking for answers, as I am sure you would on the death of your child, but when confronted with these types of stories it has just made it so confusing for us parents (or me anyway).

Cheers for your view on it.

Edited by cslgirl on Friday 29th January 17:00

[maddog993]

cslgirl said:

I am looking at this post

http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17...

Maybe people are looking for answers, as I am sure you would on the death of your child, but when confronted with these types of stories it has just made it so confusing for us parents (or me anyway).

Cheers for your view on it.

Yeah, unfortunately that website thread is a fine - if tragic- example of the anti-MMR hyperbole that was reaching it's zenith around then (2006). The unfortunate little girl Anna Duncan was found at the autopsy to have died from complications involving a severe case of chicken pox, however the father still insisted it was a reaction to the vaccine and to do so conveniently fed the anti-MMR hystericists at the time.

Edited by maddog993 on Friday 29th January 17:59

[Lois]

There isn't a squat of evidence against the combined vaccine. Autism can't be diagnosed particularly young so is most likely coincidental that the time that the autism can be diagnosed is around the time of an mmr.

I had an extra dose of it due to moving PCTs with different schedules when i was 3 and i'm ok!

[flyingjase]

Interesting thought - I have never had a measles jab which as I get older puts me at much higher risk (apparently)

The reason why - my cousin had it done and she went doolally tap and I mean that she spent most of the rest of her life in care.

Now, was in linked to that jab or pure coincidence? Did she have a gene that reacted badly with it?

Who know's, but my Mum (bless her) felt strongly enough for me not to have it.

I'm undecided with my 10 weeek old daughter - as has been stated, there is not any real evidence, but some kids do seem to react badly to it - do you want to take the risk with yours?

[cslgirl]

I have found a lot of information at http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/ Its worth a read to get both sides.

[Lois]

flyingjase said:

do you want to take the risk with yours?

Either way it's a risk. Do you risk them reacting to the jab or do you risk them catching the disease.

[Tuscanless Ali]

Isn't one of the doctors that created the storm about to be struck off?

It was very convienient that he stood to make millions from a single measles jab he had been working on.

[Dr Jekyll]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[Lois]

Tuscanless Ali said:

Isn't one of the doctors that created the storm about to be struck off?

It was very convienient that he stood to make millions from a single measles jab he had been working on.

Indeed. He had no ethical approval, paid children for blood samples and was financially influenced by medical companies. The "research" is not valid at all.

[maddog993]

cslgirl said:

I have found a lot of information at http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/ Its worth a read to get both sides.

the 'jabs' forum is largely populated by rabid anti-vaccine fkwits - it doesn't offer a balanced perspective or reasoned arguments, just full-on retarded dogma. There are plenty of sites to explore offering insights into the pros & cons of any vaccine - but that is most definitely not one of them.

[cslgirl]

For me, it's not really Wakefield, it's more the parents stories I have read of how their children reacted to it and how they are usually ignored when they report these reactions. I do believe, but correct me if I am wrong, that there is no compensation from the pharmaceuticals until after your child is 2 years old if they have a reaction which, is maybe why you are pushed to have them before they are 2.

I am just pro-choice rather than being told this is what you have to do. It is such a difficult decision that for me, will take time to decide.

[maddog993]

Fair enough regarding being able to make up your own mind. However, it easy to forget just why there is an MMR vaccine;

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en...

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/784603-overv...

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Rubella/

Edited by maddog993 on Saturday 30th January 20:05

[flyingjase]

anonymous said:

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True, and a risk that I now have to think about personally as I didn't have it

[Bill]

Tuscanless Ali said:

Isn't one of the doctors that created the storm about to be struck off?

It was very convienient that he stood to make millions from a single measles jab he had been working on.

And the editor of the Lancet who published it has been given a bking.


CSLGirl: Anyone can publish anything on the internet, there are no checks or constraints and it's madness to ascribe the same importance to an internet blog (no matter how heartbreaking the tales) as you do to medical research.