The Gracie diet

[Halb]

Has anyone ever tried this?
http://www.crosleygracie.com/site/diet.html
I am intrigued by it. Have never known much aboot nutrition but I am always learning.

Any knowledge welcome.

[deckster]

Well if you ignore the rubbish about making your blood acid or alkaline, and not making your meals too close together so they don't chemically contaminate each other, it looks like a perfectly reasonable, healthy diet.

Honestly though, eating well isn't rocket science and most of what's written on the linked page is codswallop. Don't eat too much, have plenty of fruit and veg, and don't obsess. That's really all you need to do.

[ShadownINja]

Sounds like the Hay Diet. Is Gracie a doctor or nutritionist? Or did he just take stuff from the Hay Diet?

In any case, two things spring to mind. Eat less, move more (I've looked at the principles of dozens of diet regimes). Gracie is probably not a heffer because he trained BJJ for 5 hours a day.

Edited by ShadownINja on Sunday 17th January 10:56

[Mclovin]

i think there is something to be said for an alkaline diet, in 15-30 years there will be raw food restaurants everywhere because such a diet can vastly improve health....the problem at the moment is when everyone around you is eating & drinking crap each day its hard to be a raw food vegan...

[ShadownINja]

Mclovin said:

i think there is something to be said for an alkaline diet, in 15-30 years there will be raw food restaurants everywhere because such a diet can vastly improve health....the problem at the moment is when everyone around you is eating & drinking crap each day its hard to be a raw food vegan...

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

Seriously, though, I think people benefit from such a dietary intake purely because they're going from eating ste to eating healthy. It's oft quoted that people from rural China and Japan have low rates of cancer (bowel cancer being extremely unlikely unless they head to the city and enjoy a few Big Macs)... but they cook all their food... salad is what their food eats.

I tried a raw food diet for a day. Some was ok (namely the apples, oranges, carrots, lettuce leaves, rocket leavees, nuts and seeds). Other stuff was like eating a compost heap (namely the raw mushrooms, beansprouts and cauliflower ). Some things are better cooked.

Edited by ShadownINja on Sunday 17th January 13:26

[Halb]

Just read aboot the [url]The Hay diet|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hay_dietp/url] which led me onto the the alkaline diet. Maybe Helio read aboot Hays back in the 20s? The diet is not really for size/fat but to ensure you don't help your body deteriorate quicker than more 'natural' diet. The benefits of eating less processed food are in the stats like you say ninja. You get less rates of cancers in civilisations that have wholly different eating habits. Chinese diets are also or used to be dairy free.

I know what you mean mclovin aboot it being difficult when everyone around you eats ste. That is my downfall

[ShadownINja]

Halb said:

Chinese diets are also or used to be dairy free.

Indeed. Dairy is linked to cancer. I just don't think we need to go to the extremes some go to in order to eat healthily, that's all. I do know of some people who eat a diet high in carrots... and their skin is going orange.

[Halb]

ShadownINja said:

Halb said:

Chinese diets are also or used to be dairy free.

Indeed. Dairy is linked to cancer. I just don't think we need to go to the extremes some go to in order to eat healthily, that's all. I do know of some people who eat a diet high in carrots... and their skin is going orange.

Yeh. I will never be able to give up cheese and butter, but I do think aboot this stuff!
Mexico is now in serious trouble since adopting the Western diet

Interestingly, carrots used to be white, before the Dutch engineered them orange

[ShadownINja]

Halb said:

ShadownINja said:

Halb said:

Chinese diets are also or used to be dairy free.

Indeed. Dairy is linked to cancer. I just don't think we need to go to the extremes some go to in order to eat healthily, that's all. I do know of some people who eat a diet high in carrots... and their skin is going orange.

Yeh. I will never be able to give up cheese and butter, but I do think aboot this stuff!
Mexico is now in serious trouble since adopting the Western diet

Interestingly, carrots used to be white, before the Dutch engineered them orange

Did they have any issues with the Swedish? (You see what I did there?)

[Halb]

yes....yes I did.

[Mclovin]

ShadownINja said:

Mclovin said:

i think there is something to be said for an alkaline diet, in 15-30 years there will be raw food restaurants everywhere because such a diet can vastly improve health....the problem at the moment is when everyone around you is eating & drinking crap each day its hard to be a raw food vegan...

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

Seriously, though, I think people benefit from such a dietary intake purely because they're going from eating ste to eating healthy. It's oft quoted that people from rural China and Japan have low rates of cancer (bowel cancer being extremely unlikely unless they head to the city and enjoy a few Big Macs)... but they cook all their food... salad is what their food eats.

I tried a raw food diet for a day. Some was ok (namely the apples, oranges, carrots, lettuce leaves, rocket leavees, nuts and seeds). Other stuff was like eating a compost heap (namely the raw mushrooms, beansprouts and cauliflower ). Some things are better cooked.

Edited by ShadownINja on Sunday 17th January 13:26

your idea of raw food is completely different from mine though....

for me if i was going to do it i'd buy a powerful blender like a vitamix or blendtec to make sauces from nuts and herbs etc, a dehydrator to make breads and bases for cakes etc, a spiraliser to make pasta from corquettes sweet potatoe etc

then i would use only organic because eating raw, coconut oil for flavour, agave or yacon for sweetner, carob and raw cacao instead of chocolate...

a friend of mines girlfriend made me delicious key lime cream slices and i was blown away when she told me they were raw and all it took to make them was stick a few cups of cashews, some lime juice, agave nectar, coconut oil and water in a vitamax then pour it out in a tray to freeze...

trust me this is the way to eat for long term health and anti aging....raw food just hasnt taken off in this country like some parts of america....

[ShadownINja]

Mclovin said:

ShadownINja said:

Mclovin said:

i think there is something to be said for an alkaline diet, in 15-30 years there will be raw food restaurants everywhere because such a diet can vastly improve health....the problem at the moment is when everyone around you is eating & drinking crap each day its hard to be a raw food vegan...

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

Seriously, though, I think people benefit from such a dietary intake purely because they're going from eating ste to eating healthy. It's oft quoted that people from rural China and Japan have low rates of cancer (bowel cancer being extremely unlikely unless they head to the city and enjoy a few Big Macs)... but they cook all their food... salad is what their food eats.

I tried a raw food diet for a day. Some was ok (namely the apples, oranges, carrots, lettuce leaves, rocket leavees, nuts and seeds). Other stuff was like eating a compost heap (namely the raw mushrooms, beansprouts and cauliflower ). Some things are better cooked.

Edited by ShadownINja on Sunday 17th January 13:26

your idea of raw food is completely different from mine though....

for me if i was going to do it i'd buy a powerful blender like a vitamix or blendtec to make sauces from nuts and herbs etc, a dehydrator to make breads and bases for cakes etc, a spiraliser to make pasta from corquettes sweet potatoe etc

then i would use only organic because eating raw, coconut oil for flavour, agave or yacon for sweetner, carob and raw cacao instead of chocolate...

a friend of mines girlfriend made me delicious key lime cream slices and i was blown away when she told me they were raw and all it took to make them was stick a few cups of cashews, some lime juice, agave nectar, coconut oil and water in a vitamax then pour it out in a tray to freeze...

trust me this is the way to eat for long term health and anti aging....raw food just hasnt taken off in this country like some parts of america....

Dunno. The usual rider is that you have to combine this with a healthy lifestyle of low stress, no smoking and plenty of exercise, so whether the benefits are as good as you say are hard to determine. I don't see why anyone would benefit from going 100% raw even as you've described when people are living longer by cooking food... Another issue... the key word you used is organic - what if it's non-organic? What about cooked organic? See the problem with coming up with a good argument for eating raw? Too many other influential elements come into the mix.

[Mclovin]

well this is how i aspire to eat one day when i have adequate disposable income to apportion to it because it takes a big outlay to start...and i wouldnt go straight to raw, i'd make it a gradual process to ease my body into it...i know for me personally it would make a massive difference...

no smoking is a given, exercise can be fun and it can eliminate stress...and just buy organic labelled non gm raw unprocessed food.....

anyway times are changing....we dont know how long people are living because these ideas for eating gourmet 100% raw have just caught on in the last five years.....if someone would have told me six years ago that i was damaging my heart when i was running long distance for school i would have thought they were mental, but current research suggests it might...

[ShadownINja]

Indeed. The thing is... you get stuff like this appearing all the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPYaVcXo1I

[Halb]

Hey McLovin, ave you started your slow transition?
Ever had that green gunk for brekky?
http://www.oprah.com/health/Go-Back-in-Time/11

[Mclovin]

Halb said:

Hey McLovin, ave you started your slow transition?
Ever had that green gunk for brekky?
http://www.oprah.com/health/Go-Back-in-Time/11

i would have no problem drinking that everyday, in fact would enjoy it but i would need a seriously powerful blender to make it quickly like one of these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zcdoa0XCFo

i think a vitamix is better but it doesnt come with a bpa free jug...

also adding up the price of all that organic produce comes to a few quid, at moment i'm just happy with porridge oats purely for monetary reasons...

[Mclovin]

ShadownINja said:

Indeed. The thing is... you get stuff like this appearing all the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPYaVcXo1I

i wish doctors would realise this, everyone i know taking statins complains of the same bleeding side effects <joint problems> and yet they dont come off them....also doctors still dont know coq10 can be a huge benefit for people on statins...

[ShadownINja]

Mclovin said:

ShadownINja said:

Indeed. The thing is... you get stuff like this appearing all the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPYaVcXo1I

i wish doctors would realise this, everyone i know taking statins complains of the same bleeding side effects <joint problems> and yet they dont come off them....also doctors still dont know coq10 can be a huge benefit for people on statins...

It does beg the question... what's the side-effects of coq10?

[Mclovin]

"Statins sold in Canada are required to carry on their labels a precautionary warning expressly stating that such CoQ10 depletion can lead to impaired cardiac functioning in patients with congestive heart failure." Other potential problems arising from lowered coq10 levels in the body include "cognitive, muscular, cardiovascular, and other problems". (Source: www.lef.org)