Whatever Happened To Swine Flu
Discussion
We take swabs from people with viral illnesses as part of a national study, and over the past few weeks, of 96 swabs, 20 came back as swine flu - showing that swine flu is out there at the moment, and is basically a mild cold. So if you get offered Tamiflu, think hard before taking it as it's side effects are worse than the illness itself, and swine flu is being wrongly diagnosed in most cases.
Rach* said:
I was watching something last night (Channel 4 news I think) and all the EU countries are trying to cancel millions of orders of the vaccine and tamiflu.
They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
There was an artical in the papers this weekend on that. UK govt left with 19 million doses of tamiflu or similar which it's not going to need. No break clause in the contract, bloody careless negotiating.They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
Ozone said:
Killed off by more important news stories?
Snow before xmas.
Chunnel closed.
Xmas.
Xmas day wannabe bomber.
Snow after xmas.
Grit running out.
Winky getting f
ked over.Journo shot in Afghanistan.
Pig flu is low on the list. General Election coming up. I expect to hear nothing more on the subject.
spikeyhead said:
There was an artical in the papers this weekend on that. UK govt left with 19 million doses of tamiflu or similar which it's not going to need. No break clause in the contract, bloody careless negotiating.
But if it had taken off seriously and there wasn't enough to go round, no doubt the same accusation would be made??The press stopped creating panic over swine flu, thankfully. It was less prevalent and killing less than regular seasonal flu was. The media furore was a right pain.
I caught swine flu, it knocked me off my feet for a few days and kept me off work for a week. Same as any other strain of flu would have. Plenty of fluids, dose of paracetomol, lots of rest. Job done.
I caught swine flu, it knocked me off my feet for a few days and kept me off work for a week. Same as any other strain of flu would have. Plenty of fluids, dose of paracetomol, lots of rest. Job done.
Rach* said:
I was watching something last night (Channel 4 news I think) and all the EU countries are trying to cancel millions of orders of the vaccine and tamiflu.
They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
It's a bit more serious than that:They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
said:
Wolf Dieter Ludwig, head of drug commission of the German Medical Association is no doubt about what has happened:
"The authorities have succumb to a campaign by pharmaceutical companies, which seeks to monetize a non-existent threat," he told Der Spiegel.
click"The authorities have succumb to a campaign by pharmaceutical companies, which seeks to monetize a non-existent threat," he told Der Spiegel.
I wonder if the UK press will ever pick up on the story of the W.H.O Flu pandemic advisors who are on the payrolls of the drug industry?
Or on the story that Baxter, supplier of swine flu vaccine, has been engineering hybrid flu strains and "accidentally" releasing them around the world?
said:
The contaminated product, which Baxter calls "experimental virus material," was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine - including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly - at a facility in the Czech Republic.
People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
clickPeople familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
Edited by Babu 01 on Thursday 14th January 11:28
Kudos said:
spikeyhead said:
There was an artical in the papers this weekend on that. UK govt left with 19 million doses of tamiflu or similar which it's not going to need. No break clause in the contract, bloody careless negotiating.
But if it had taken off seriously and there wasn't enough to go round, no doubt the same accusation would be made??Babu 01 said:
Rach* said:
I was watching something last night (Channel 4 news I think) and all the EU countries are trying to cancel millions of orders of the vaccine and tamiflu.
They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
It's a bit more serious than that:They hinted at pharmacutical companies hyping things for their own interest.
said:
Wolf Dieter Ludwig, head of drug commission of the German Medical Association is no doubt about what has happened:
"The authorities have succumb to a campaign by pharmaceutical companies, which seeks to monetize a non-existent threat," he told Der Spiegel.
click"The authorities have succumb to a campaign by pharmaceutical companies, which seeks to monetize a non-existent threat," he told Der Spiegel.
I wonder if the UK press will ever pick up on the story of the W.H.O Flu pandemic advisors who are on the payrolls of the drug industry?
Or on the story that Baxter, supplier of swine flu vaccine, has been engineering hybrid flu strains and "accidentally" releasing them around the world?
said:
The contaminated product, which Baxter calls "experimental virus material," was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine - including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly - at a facility in the Czech Republic.
People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
clickPeople familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn't easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
Edited by Babu 01 on Thursday 14th January 11:28
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