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I know several people affected by cancer. One died on Xmas day. Following this depressing event, I got into a discussion with a mate of mine who has had skin cancer and recovered from it (thankfully) about the cures and whether there would ever be a 'total' cure. The following, somewhat skeptical approach to cures was offered:
'A cure for all types of known cancer has been found but is being with held from general release because it would eliminate part of the 'natural selection' element of the human race. If everyone who was diagnosed with cancer was cured, more people would live longer thus exponentially increasing the drain on resources'
Interested to hear PH views.
'A cure for all types of known cancer has been found but is being with held from general release because it would eliminate part of the 'natural selection' element of the human race. If everyone who was diagnosed with cancer was cured, more people would live longer thus exponentially increasing the drain on resources'
Interested to hear PH views.
rocket377 said:
I know several people affected by cancer. One died on Xmas day. Following this depressing event, I got into a discussion with a mate of mine who has had skin cancer and recovered from it (thankfully) about the cures and whether there would ever be a 'total' cure. The following, somewhat skeptical approach to cures was offered:
'A cure for all types of known cancer has been found but is being with held from general release because it would eliminate part of the 'natural selection' element of the human race. If everyone who was diagnosed with cancer was cured, more people would live longer thus exponentially increasing the drain on resources'
Interested to hear PH views.
Rocking horse doo-doo.'A cure for all types of known cancer has been found but is being with held from general release because it would eliminate part of the 'natural selection' element of the human race. If everyone who was diagnosed with cancer was cured, more people would live longer thus exponentially increasing the drain on resources'
Interested to hear PH views.
rocket377 said:
'A cure for all types of known cancer has been found but is being with held from general release because it would eliminate part of the 'natural selection' element of the human race. If everyone who was diagnosed with cancer was cured, more people would live longer thus exponentially increasing the drain on resources'
Interested to hear PH views.
Can't see this being true tbhInterested to hear PH views.
Where did you get the information from?
IforB said:
There is no such thing as "cancer". So there will never be one cure for them all. Though the genii at Cancer Research are getting there. I've certainly got a lot to thank them for.
Hi IforB, glad to hear you're doing well. I remember I spoke to you on here when I was diagnosed. Everything's going well for me now There are roughly 200 types of cancer. Skin cancer alone covers a wide range depending on location, severity etc etc, there's several kinds of leukemia, same with breast cancer, stomach cancer, you name it there are many different types of cancer.
Considering that they can't even detect ovarian cancer properly yet I really doubt that there is a "big cure". We're not even close to the big cure, because there is not going to be just one. 200 types of cancer, that means we're going to need roughly 200 cures.
Considering that they can't even detect ovarian cancer properly yet I really doubt that there is a "big cure". We're not even close to the big cure, because there is not going to be just one. 200 types of cancer, that means we're going to need roughly 200 cures.
If a cure were to be found, it would be bought out by some giant pharm company with the intent to make billions upon billions, all the while preventing others from copying it and thus only curing those willing to fork over hundreds of thousands, and those with insurance.
That's the only reason I disagree with you, because capitalists don't subscribe to noble ideas.
That's the only reason I disagree with you, because capitalists don't subscribe to noble ideas.
My mum died of lung cancer 2 weeks ago. She was sixty four, had never smoked a cigarette and had a very 'healthy' lifestyle.
I asked one of the doctors if there would ever be a cure for cancer. She replied 'No'. Simple as that. There are a few cancers they can do something about such as testicular and some lymph and blood cancers. The rest have to be cut out before they spread. It's the only cure. Once it has spread the best that modern medicine can do is slow the progression and sometimes create remission. Sorry to be blunt but this is the truth seldom talked about.
Also, make sure you don't get cancer in the UK as the NHS is very low down the list for international cancer survival rates. I've seen the service from the inside of a supposed centre of excellence. Excellent wasn't the first word that came to my mind...
Sorry if this is a bit depressing. All I can advise it to live life to the full whilst you can.
I asked one of the doctors if there would ever be a cure for cancer. She replied 'No'. Simple as that. There are a few cancers they can do something about such as testicular and some lymph and blood cancers. The rest have to be cut out before they spread. It's the only cure. Once it has spread the best that modern medicine can do is slow the progression and sometimes create remission. Sorry to be blunt but this is the truth seldom talked about.
Also, make sure you don't get cancer in the UK as the NHS is very low down the list for international cancer survival rates. I've seen the service from the inside of a supposed centre of excellence. Excellent wasn't the first word that came to my mind...
Sorry if this is a bit depressing. All I can advise it to live life to the full whilst you can.
supersingle said:
My mum died of lung cancer 2 weeks ago. She was sixty four, had never smoked a cigarette and had a very 'healthy' lifestyle.
I asked one of the doctors if there would ever be a cure for cancer. She replied 'No'. Simple as that. There are a few cancers they can do something about such as testicular and some lymph and blood cancers. The rest have to be cut out before they spread. It's the only cure. Once it has spread the best that modern medicine can do is slow the progression and sometimes create remission. Sorry to be blunt but this is the truth seldom talked about.
Also, make sure you don't get cancer in the UK as the NHS is very low down the list for international cancer survival rates. I've seen the service from the inside of a supposed centre of excellence. Excellent wasn't the first word that came to my mind...
Sorry if this is a bit depressing. All I can advise it to live life to the full whilst you can.
Sorry to hear that.I asked one of the doctors if there would ever be a cure for cancer. She replied 'No'. Simple as that. There are a few cancers they can do something about such as testicular and some lymph and blood cancers. The rest have to be cut out before they spread. It's the only cure. Once it has spread the best that modern medicine can do is slow the progression and sometimes create remission. Sorry to be blunt but this is the truth seldom talked about.
Also, make sure you don't get cancer in the UK as the NHS is very low down the list for international cancer survival rates. I've seen the service from the inside of a supposed centre of excellence. Excellent wasn't the first word that came to my mind...
Sorry if this is a bit depressing. All I can advise it to live life to the full whilst you can.
Sorry about your Mum. I'm not surprised you are on a downer about cancer care.
My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
IforB said:
Sorry about your Mum. I'm not surprised you are on a downer about cancer care.
My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
It is only right that extra resources are allocated to curable cancers. Good luck to you and I hope things work out well in the future. My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
I do get very angry when I look at the amount that my parents have paid into the system compared to what they got out. As far as I'm concerned all the chavs and immigrants can go hang and I don't care who hears me say it. I'd like to see a contributory insurance scheme. It will happen eventually as the middle class simply withdraw their consent from the current system. We are miles behind the rest of the western world when it comes to survival rates.
At the moment the NHS treats incurable cancer with one course of treatment which is government targeted. Any further treatments don't fall under targets which means that the medics operate a 'Wait and see' policy after initial treatment. You can imagine what that means in practice...
supersingle said:
IforB said:
Sorry about your Mum. I'm not surprised you are on a downer about cancer care.
My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
It is only right that extra resources are allocated to curable cancers. Good luck to you and I hope things work out well in the future. My experience is totally different, but then again I'm "lucky" enough to have had a cureable cancer. I cannot praise the NHS or the unit I was treated at highly enough. I have literally had money thrown at my treatment. At no time was cost an issue, but then again, when there is a chance of a positive result, then that is usually where the money goes.
It is harsh, but money is allocated where it will do the most good. I'm just glad that I was "worth" them chucking hundreds of thousands at me and that I was treated at a unit with an exceptional record.
I do get very angry when I look at the amount that my parents have paid into the system compared to what they got out. As far as I'm concerned all the chavs and immigrants can go hang and I don't care who hears me say it. I'd like to see a contributory insurance scheme. It will happen eventually as the middle class simply withdraw their consent from the current system. We are miles behind the rest of the western world when it comes to survival rates.
At the moment the NHS treats incurable cancer with one course of treatment which is government targeted. Any further treatments don't fall under targets which means that the medics operate a 'Wait and see' policy after initial treatment. You can imagine what that means in practice...
They can't let emotions get in the way of their decisions. For example there was a case up here of a chap with a few weeks to live wanting an experimental treatment that might prolong his life by a few weeks.
My immediate thought is to give him it of course and hang the cost, but when you realise what giving him that will mean for other patients as that finite pot of money is used up.....................Your attitude changes.
I wouldn't want to make that call for all the tea in China though.
Our cancer survival rates in the UK aren't great to be honest. Overall 5 year survival for all diagnoses of cancer is 35ish% whereas the EU average is 39ish%. I'm sure there are lots of reasons far too complicated for discussions between lay people on here, but it doesn't look good really.
I wish there was a cure for cancer.
My mother is going for chemo tomorrow on a growth on her brain. She came here on Christmas day and could hardly stand, sounded like she was drunk etc, this is all due to the tumor in her brain.
After loosing my father 9 weeks ago, there's nothing in this world that I wouldn't sacrifice to know that my Mother would be here for another year.
As a bit of weired st, I've donated a percentage of my monthly income to Cancer research for the past 6 or 7 years since a friend of mine died.
My mother is going for chemo tomorrow on a growth on her brain. She came here on Christmas day and could hardly stand, sounded like she was drunk etc, this is all due to the tumor in her brain.
After loosing my father 9 weeks ago, there's nothing in this world that I wouldn't sacrifice to know that my Mother would be here for another year.
As a bit of weired st, I've donated a percentage of my monthly income to Cancer research for the past 6 or 7 years since a friend of mine died.
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