Joint pain cured
Discussion
Posting this on the off chance it may help someone.
Background, 62 now, weight about 12.5 stones.
Reasonably fit, always done a bit of weight lifting, never to extremes though, never smoked.
So about 5 years ago started getting pain in joints, all of them.
Went to Doctors, it’s your age, can’t do anything.
Over time it got worse. A lot worse. Back to Doctors, it’s your age, take pain killers. Tested for one form of arthritis, negative.
It got worse, in pain most of the time, needed ibobrufen and paracetomal to sleep.
Taking all possible supplements, cut out inflammatory foods etc.
Back to doctors for third time, now 4 years of this, walking over 3 miles, to painful. Getting to stage of thinking motorbikes will have to go, as to painful to hold grips. Certainly can’t weight train any more. Same, from the Doctors, part of getting old, nothing to be done.
So, start of this year went to Portugal, rented apartments, drove down over 4 days. First week or so on holiday felt a bit better, second week started to get worse again.
Back to Doctors, explained above, asked if could be tested for allergies, told no, it’s your age etc. Must have just been cos it’s warmer.
So started to try cutting things out, started with Gluten, no difference.
Cut out all dairy, no difference.
Cut out meat, no difference.
Cut out alcohol, no difference.
That was pretty much everything I could find online.
Then I thought I will cut out coffee, although I had found no articles online suggesting this as likely to help.
I should say that I have always drunk coffee, a lot of coffee, strong, black and up to 10 mugs a day.
Anyway started to cut down, immediate improvement! So down to no coffee over about three weeks. Within 4 weeks of starting to give it up, no joint pain. Been a few months now, no pain, no pain killers needed, can weight train again, can walk 10-12 miles in the mountains, can swim again. No pain, it’s been a complete life changer.
Now just have two cups of decaf a day.
Still can’t get over not being in pain every day.
Anyway, maybe this just might help someone.
Background, 62 now, weight about 12.5 stones.
Reasonably fit, always done a bit of weight lifting, never to extremes though, never smoked.
So about 5 years ago started getting pain in joints, all of them.
Went to Doctors, it’s your age, can’t do anything.
Over time it got worse. A lot worse. Back to Doctors, it’s your age, take pain killers. Tested for one form of arthritis, negative.
It got worse, in pain most of the time, needed ibobrufen and paracetomal to sleep.
Taking all possible supplements, cut out inflammatory foods etc.
Back to doctors for third time, now 4 years of this, walking over 3 miles, to painful. Getting to stage of thinking motorbikes will have to go, as to painful to hold grips. Certainly can’t weight train any more. Same, from the Doctors, part of getting old, nothing to be done.
So, start of this year went to Portugal, rented apartments, drove down over 4 days. First week or so on holiday felt a bit better, second week started to get worse again.
Back to Doctors, explained above, asked if could be tested for allergies, told no, it’s your age etc. Must have just been cos it’s warmer.
So started to try cutting things out, started with Gluten, no difference.
Cut out all dairy, no difference.
Cut out meat, no difference.
Cut out alcohol, no difference.
That was pretty much everything I could find online.
Then I thought I will cut out coffee, although I had found no articles online suggesting this as likely to help.
I should say that I have always drunk coffee, a lot of coffee, strong, black and up to 10 mugs a day.
Anyway started to cut down, immediate improvement! So down to no coffee over about three weeks. Within 4 weeks of starting to give it up, no joint pain. Been a few months now, no pain, no pain killers needed, can weight train again, can walk 10-12 miles in the mountains, can swim again. No pain, it’s been a complete life changer.
Now just have two cups of decaf a day.
Still can’t get over not being in pain every day.
Anyway, maybe this just might help someone.
Interesting!
I had similar. I used to drink a lot of diet coke....and I mean a lot.
I had pain in nearly all my joints, and my mother said it's the diet coke. Thinking she was a batty old woman I ignored her. Then, I thought actually what's to lose?
In a few weeks after packing it in all pain was gone.
I had similar. I used to drink a lot of diet coke....and I mean a lot.
I had pain in nearly all my joints, and my mother said it's the diet coke. Thinking she was a batty old woman I ignored her. Then, I thought actually what's to lose?
In a few weeks after packing it in all pain was gone.
I thought you were talking about real coffee, not instant. I generally have real coffee, but interesting that it can cause joint pain. I don’t have pain but my joints are noisy. Suspect coffee won’t change that in any way.
Good thread anyway, it could help some people that have never considered it.
Good thread anyway, it could help some people that have never considered it.
I'm 49 in ten days. My arms and legs ache like they would the day after going to the gym for the first time in months, except they're like that all the time. I put it down to my age but I do drink coffee, though not a lot. I'm sensitive to caffeine so I'm more of the quality than quantity persuasion. When I WFH I have a cup first thing and one mid morning from my bean-to-cup machine. If I'm in the office I have one at home when I get up and one mid morning from the café at work. That's it. Could that still be enough to cause the issues?
Aches and pains come with age.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s f
king painful.
Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s f
king painful. Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
Already some interesting comments here.
My experience with joint pain is that I put it down to old age.
Whilst seeing the doctor on an unrelated matter, I was diagnosed with severe vitamin D deficiency and he put me on a very high dose for some time.
I noticed joint pain reducing, energy levels returning to 15 years earlier which meant it was easier to lose weight which brought further benefits.
My experience with joint pain is that I put it down to old age.
Whilst seeing the doctor on an unrelated matter, I was diagnosed with severe vitamin D deficiency and he put me on a very high dose for some time.
I noticed joint pain reducing, energy levels returning to 15 years earlier which meant it was easier to lose weight which brought further benefits.
Aches and pains come with age.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s fking painful.
Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s f
king painful. Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
I have lost a bit and my aches and pains have taken a back seat.
Also, gym works helps, people say you dont need to do any but we live sedentary lives in a lot of cases, maybe an active bloke who is a builder might not need to but us desk jockeys get a bit weak and doughy, your muscles support it all so if they are weak, they cant do their job fully.
We arent talking being" hench" and lifting huge weights, just adding some resistance training in to make up for the lack of it in our daily routines.
Get out of bed, go to work in a car that does everything, sit at a desk, go home, sit in front of tell, rinse and repeat.
Also, gym works helps, people say you dont need to do any but we live sedentary lives in a lot of cases, maybe an active bloke who is a builder might not need to but us desk jockeys get a bit weak and doughy, your muscles support it all so if they are weak, they cant do their job fully.
We arent talking being" hench" and lifting huge weights, just adding some resistance training in to make up for the lack of it in our daily routines.
Get out of bed, go to work in a car that does everything, sit at a desk, go home, sit in front of tell, rinse and repeat.
jdw100 said:
Aches and pains come with age.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s fking painful.
Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
Repetative strain ?Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s f
king painful. Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
Yeah, I thought so. Worn out my knee?
However, strengthening my legs really helped. Very little pain now.
Problem is was it also because i stopped running and replaced with walking? Or a combo? How to accurately test?
Toe is genetic. Mum, Uncles and Aunties.
Another example, for my epilepsy. Lots of stuff out there for low GI diet. Even my neurologist suggested it.
When you really really dig in: turns out there is some evidence of effectiveness in rats and possibly for young children..maybe.
Of course you then get people saying: I went on a low GI diet and haven’t had a seizure!! Good for you but that’s just anecdotal not a proper large scale study.
Hence, I remain sceptical about ‘I gave up coffee/tea/lemon meringue pie/apples’ and my life has changed.’
Factor in the placebo effect as well.
Environmental factors. People often cut out a food as part of a health kick. Could simply be just be drinking more water instead of coffee.
However, strengthening my legs really helped. Very little pain now.
Problem is was it also because i stopped running and replaced with walking? Or a combo? How to accurately test?
Toe is genetic. Mum, Uncles and Aunties.
Another example, for my epilepsy. Lots of stuff out there for low GI diet. Even my neurologist suggested it.
When you really really dig in: turns out there is some evidence of effectiveness in rats and possibly for young children..maybe.
Of course you then get people saying: I went on a low GI diet and haven’t had a seizure!! Good for you but that’s just anecdotal not a proper large scale study.
Hence, I remain sceptical about ‘I gave up coffee/tea/lemon meringue pie/apples’ and my life has changed.’
Factor in the placebo effect as well.
Environmental factors. People often cut out a food as part of a health kick. Could simply be just be drinking more water instead of coffee.
jdw100 said:
Aches and pains come with age.
Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s fking painful.
Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
How is the chubby guy going to get a woman ? His personality. His kindness ? His fantastic ability in the kitchen ? The size of his penis ? The size of his bank balance? Maybe he already has a woman, and she's fattening him up so no one steals him. Some things that have helped me:
Knee - I though was buggered after running 50- 200km a month. Turned out legs were weak, did a lot of work on thighs and that has meant my knee is better supported. Almost no pain now.
Rheumatoid arthritis in a big toe. Genetic - thanks to mum and her family. It’s f
king painful. Cut out all refined sugars etc. No cakes, no pastries, no breads.
I’m very wary of correlation vs causation so am sceptical about ‘I cut out coffee last week and I’m a new man’.
Also, things can get better. Its like people with colds taking vitamins - it made me better!! No, you were going to recover anyway.
However after several months my toe was way, way better. I think its reduction of inflammation. Various studies seem to back this up.
Possibly it may come in cycles or the joint is slowly seizing up which will reduce the pain, or because I switched my walking trainers to ones with a wider toe-box or a combination of all my actions?
55 years old, 187cm, 78kg. Gym with trainer three times a week. 3-5km walking a day (hilly area). Haven’t had a drink in six years.
Generally being overweight will not help. I live in an area where overweight people are an unusual sight.
Have to say I feel very sorry when you do see a chubby guy - how is he going to find a woman?
When we go to other areas (or back to UK) it’s shocking to see the state of people. Guys in 20,30,40s with big guts. Overweight women everywhere.
Best thing you can do - keep weight off, lift weights, cardio, sensible diet.
My parents are very active, have always eaten lots of home grown food etc. In their 80s and many of their friends have significantly reduced mobility or a long list of health problems. Quite depressing really.
I'm with you though. I could benefit from losing a stone. (I've lost 3 in the last 10 years)
All things in moderation. I drink mainly decaff because I was drinking far too much before. But now I find that too much caffeine makes me angry. My body is obviously not tolerant of the amount I used to drink.
Same with alcohol. Used to need 4 pints to not feel totally sober. Now after 3 pints I'm pissed as a pissed up piss head.
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