dad been in hospital 8 days - struggling back home
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My old man is a fairly healthy, active 84yo. Plays a v slow short course golf weekly. Looks after the garden/pool, drives etc
I got a call last tuesday from my mum - on monday my dad became sleepy then unresponsive, her and a neighbour bundled him into the car and she took him to A+E and he was admitted to ICU as critical. Turns out he had a uti, (he thought it was indigestion from a pizza ffs), but the uti turned to sepsis so the infection was rampant shutting his systems down. Wife and i jumped on a plane asap as they live in Spain. Luckily the antibiotics worked and he pulled thru but spent 3 days in ICU talking absolute sausages then 5 days on a general ward.
He came out today and we have struggled to get him into car/house/loo/bed.... He literally cant walk, cant go to loo, can barely stand at sink to brush teeth.
Any ideas on if/when/how he will start to gain mobility back?? Would a physio help? Weve been here a week but have usual work/kids commitments at home and im really worried how my mum whos 86 is going ot cope. We are having to man-handle him every where atm or he would be on the floor.
ps Feel pretty gutted tbh seeing my dad like this, gettting old if f***ing sh*t.
I got a call last tuesday from my mum - on monday my dad became sleepy then unresponsive, her and a neighbour bundled him into the car and she took him to A+E and he was admitted to ICU as critical. Turns out he had a uti, (he thought it was indigestion from a pizza ffs), but the uti turned to sepsis so the infection was rampant shutting his systems down. Wife and i jumped on a plane asap as they live in Spain. Luckily the antibiotics worked and he pulled thru but spent 3 days in ICU talking absolute sausages then 5 days on a general ward.
He came out today and we have struggled to get him into car/house/loo/bed.... He literally cant walk, cant go to loo, can barely stand at sink to brush teeth.
Any ideas on if/when/how he will start to gain mobility back?? Would a physio help? Weve been here a week but have usual work/kids commitments at home and im really worried how my mum whos 86 is going ot cope. We are having to man-handle him every where atm or he would be on the floor.
ps Feel pretty gutted tbh seeing my dad like this, gettting old if f***ing sh*t.
t.i occasionally deal with the acute bits so not my field but I did find this -
"Those who enter the hospital and are treated for sepsis often find that they have significant skeletal muscle weakness for at least a month. This is not because of muscle atrophy. Rather, it is associated with impaired mitochondrial activity and persistent protein oxidative damage."
Quite common according to Endsepsis.org - around 60%
"Those who enter the hospital and are treated for sepsis often find that they have significant skeletal muscle weakness for at least a month. This is not because of muscle atrophy. Rather, it is associated with impaired mitochondrial activity and persistent protein oxidative damage."
Quite common according to Endsepsis.org - around 60%
My late father had this, went all dizzy, carer called 999 and hospital trip for 5 days, UTI and blood infection from poop in nail going into shaving cut. When I collected him from hospital he was still weak, I made sure he hydrated and ate real food (not hospital food) fish and chips etc, it took about a week for him to bounce back. If you can stay and help its best, you'll be surprised how they pick up with you around feeding them, Im sure my dad did it on purpose to fleece me 
xx99xx said:
Can't he return to hospital given that he cannot walk? Which begs the question why he was released in that state in the first place. Assume any kind of temporary care facility would need some weeks to arrange. What about carers at home, should be some people you can employ?
He's medically fit. A hospital isn't a care home. liam1986 said:
xx99xx said:
Can't he return to hospital given that he cannot walk? Which begs the question why he was released in that state in the first place. Assume any kind of temporary care facility would need some weeks to arrange. What about carers at home, should be some people you can employ?
He's medically fit. A hospital isn't a care home. liam1986 said:
xx99xx said:
Can't he return to hospital given that he cannot walk? Which begs the question why he was released in that state in the first place. Assume any kind of temporary care facility would need some weeks to arrange. What about carers at home, should be some people you can employ?
He's medically fit. A hospital isn't a care home. My sisters and I had to provide care for my Dad who had cancer. I had to take holiday from work. I do think there is a discussion to be had to allow people to take unpaid "parental" leave to look after elderly relatives when they are ill. It might solve some of the hospital bed blocking issues.
Slow.Patrol said:
liam1986 said:
xx99xx said:
Can't he return to hospital given that he cannot walk? Which begs the question why he was released in that state in the first place. Assume any kind of temporary care facility would need some weeks to arrange. What about carers at home, should be some people you can employ?
He's medically fit. A hospital isn't a care home. My sisters and I had to provide care for my Dad who had cancer. I had to take holiday from work. I do think there is a discussion to be had to allow people to take unpaid "parental" leave to look after elderly relatives when they are ill. It might solve some of the hospital bed blocking issues.
It's awful seeing them getting older and their health failing. I feel your pain on that one as my Dad has been deteriorating since he was 57 (won't go into that as I don't want to come across as a topper)
UTI's can be a swine - I vividly recall my Granddad going into hospital with one and it sent him properly loopy
I can't help medically but hope your Dad makes a full recovery and is back on the course sooner rather than later
UTI's can be a swine - I vividly recall my Granddad going into hospital with one and it sent him properly loopy
I can't help medically but hope your Dad makes a full recovery and is back on the course sooner rather than later
liam1986 said:
xx99xx said:
Can't he return to hospital given that he cannot walk? Which begs the question why he was released in that state in the first place. Assume any kind of temporary care facility would need some weeks to arrange. What about carers at home, should be some people you can employ?
He's medically fit. A hospital isn't a care home. OP,
My then 86 year old mother was admitted to hospital last year with an acute UTI, and the care home she was in also gave her Covid at the same time. She spent 2 months in hospital and another in a rehab hospital with daily physio. Prior to this she was fully mobile, now she is unable to move from a bed/chair without two people and mechanical assistance.
I would begin getting some full-time care, which can be undertaken at home but more often in a care home. I don’t know the cost of this in Spain but in the UK we’re paying £5k a month for a care home.
My then 86 year old mother was admitted to hospital last year with an acute UTI, and the care home she was in also gave her Covid at the same time. She spent 2 months in hospital and another in a rehab hospital with daily physio. Prior to this she was fully mobile, now she is unable to move from a bed/chair without two people and mechanical assistance.
I would begin getting some full-time care, which can be undertaken at home but more often in a care home. I don’t know the cost of this in Spain but in the UK we’re paying £5k a month for a care home.
Phone his local social services. If he needs support to get him back on his feet then the hospital should have liaised with social care and put in an Intermediate Care Service/Reablement. This is '"free" up to 6 weeks and it's to help people gain the mobility and independence they had prior to their hospital admission. Of course this service isn't always appropriate but it sounds like your father would be an ideal candidate.
Planet Claire said:
Phone his local social services. If he needs support to get him back on his feet then the hospital should have liaised with social care and put in an Intermediate Care Service/Reablement. This is '"free" up to 6 weeks and it's to help people gain the mobility and independence they had prior to their hospital admission. Of course this service isn't always appropriate but it sounds like your father would be an ideal candidate.
The Mad Monk said:
He is in Spain.
Dad had similar - in the UK you can get nurses to come in 3 times a day to get them up and put them to bed etc
In Dad's case it was a downward spiral over almost a year of re infection - I'm not trying to depress you it's just that he may need much more care than you think
If Spain doesn't have similar care options you may want to look at moving them back - I know many do even if it's only because they want their family around them
In Dad's case it was a downward spiral over almost a year of re infection - I'm not trying to depress you it's just that he may need much more care than you think
If Spain doesn't have similar care options you may want to look at moving them back - I know many do even if it's only because they want their family around them
KTMsm said:
Dad had similar - in the UK you can get nurses to come in 3 times a day to get them up and put them to bed etc
In Dad's case it was a downward spiral over almost a year of re infection - I'm not trying to depress you it's just that he may need much more care than you think
If Spain doesn't have similar care options you may want to look at moving them back - I know many do even if it's only because they want their family around them
If they are residents rather than citizens in Spain then it will be pay for your own care as in the UK. I don’t know the situation in the case they are citizens. In Dad's case it was a downward spiral over almost a year of re infection - I'm not trying to depress you it's just that he may need much more care than you think
If Spain doesn't have similar care options you may want to look at moving them back - I know many do even if it's only because they want their family around them
Phil. said:
If they are residents rather than citizens in Spain then it will be pay for your own care as in the UK
Not sure if that's a typo - Dad's care was free on the NHS otherwise he'd have been blocking a bed in hospitalThere might be time limits etc but each time he was released with (IIRC) district nurses coming out and it was free not even financially assessed
KTMsm said:
Not sure if that's a typo - Dad's care was free on the NHS otherwise he'd have been blocking a bed in hospital
There might be time limits etc but each time he was released with (IIRC) district nurses coming out and it was free not even financially assessed
That’s a good outcome for you. When my mother came out of rehab hospital it was straight into a care home because home nursing wasn’t an option due to her needs. We are meeting the cost of the care home. The NHS support ended at this point. There might be time limits etc but each time he was released with (IIRC) district nurses coming out and it was free not even financially assessed
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