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Discussion
I have read through the various vasectomy threads on here in search of clear guidance on getting neutered, and I take note that I will need to wear super-tight undies, sit on a bag of ice and not ride my unicycle back from the appointment, no matter how "fine" I feel. It
My other takeaway is that PH needs a league table of how quickly one might be able to "flush out the pipes". I know you need your certificate for the "all clear".
Some of the questions that I could not find proper answers to are:
- Does a vasectomy have any long-term side effects? I mean... the swimmers have to go somewhere, right?
- Can you get insurance? Not to insure that the procedure "works", but if for some reason I end up with another child, (Twins last time) I'm going to need to get my sad face on for some compensation. those little rascals really take it out of you!
- What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
- What if you happen to have varicoceles (Varicose veins in the left nut) and don't fancy getting your sack spliced twice? Can you make like a bowl of spaghetti and have them all pulled out in one swift manoeuvre? A cursory google suggests yes, but I can't find a UK site talking about it. Does anyone have first-hand experience in combining the operations?
- Is it worth going private? I suspect the service will be quicker and I'm not worried about the cost, but is it as well regulated? I'm just a little worried about turning up to see DR Zoidberg waiting for me.
My other takeaway is that PH needs a league table of how quickly one might be able to "flush out the pipes". I know you need your certificate for the "all clear".
Some of the questions that I could not find proper answers to are:
- Does a vasectomy have any long-term side effects? I mean... the swimmers have to go somewhere, right?
- Can you get insurance? Not to insure that the procedure "works", but if for some reason I end up with another child, (Twins last time) I'm going to need to get my sad face on for some compensation. those little rascals really take it out of you!
- What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
- What if you happen to have varicoceles (Varicose veins in the left nut) and don't fancy getting your sack spliced twice? Can you make like a bowl of spaghetti and have them all pulled out in one swift manoeuvre? A cursory google suggests yes, but I can't find a UK site talking about it. Does anyone have first-hand experience in combining the operations?
- Is it worth going private? I suspect the service will be quicker and I'm not worried about the cost, but is it as well regulated? I'm just a little worried about turning up to see DR Zoidberg waiting for me.
Prizam said:
I have read through the various vasectomy threads on here in search of clear guidance on getting neutered, and I take note that I will need to wear super-tight undies, sit on a bag of ice and not ride my unicycle back from the appointment, no matter how "fine" I feel. It
My other takeaway is that PH needs a league table of how quickly one might be able to "flush out the pipes". I know you need your certificate for the "all clear".
Some of the questions that I could not find proper answers to are:
- Does a vasectomy have any long-term side effects? I mean... the swimmers have to go somewhere, right?
- Can you get insurance? Not to insure that the procedure "works", but if for some reason I end up with another child, (Twins last time) I'm going to need to get my sad face on for some compensation. those little rascals really take it out of you!
- What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
- What if you happen to have varicoceles (Varicose veins in the left nut) and don't fancy getting your sack spliced twice? Can you make like a bowl of spaghetti and have them all pulled out in one swift manoeuvre? A cursory google suggests yes, but I can't find a UK site talking about it. Does anyone have first-hand experience in combining the operations?
- Is it worth going private? I suspect the service will be quicker and I'm not worried about the cost, but is it as well regulated? I'm just a little worried about turning up to see DR Zoidberg waiting for me.
Swimmers just get absorbed back into the bodyMy other takeaway is that PH needs a league table of how quickly one might be able to "flush out the pipes". I know you need your certificate for the "all clear".
Some of the questions that I could not find proper answers to are:
- Does a vasectomy have any long-term side effects? I mean... the swimmers have to go somewhere, right?
- Can you get insurance? Not to insure that the procedure "works", but if for some reason I end up with another child, (Twins last time) I'm going to need to get my sad face on for some compensation. those little rascals really take it out of you!
- What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
- What if you happen to have varicoceles (Varicose veins in the left nut) and don't fancy getting your sack spliced twice? Can you make like a bowl of spaghetti and have them all pulled out in one swift manoeuvre? A cursory google suggests yes, but I can't find a UK site talking about it. Does anyone have first-hand experience in combining the operations?
- Is it worth going private? I suspect the service will be quicker and I'm not worried about the cost, but is it as well regulated? I'm just a little worried about turning up to see DR Zoidberg waiting for me.
I get achey plums sometimes but it is mild.
I had it on the NHS and it was fine. Chatted about Tennis.
Very tight briefs you need
Private, definitely.
In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
popeyewhite said:
Is that a fair and balanced statement, because it isn't really very helpful or represent the full picture. A reader of pistonheads could easily read that as Vasectomy increase(s) the risk of prostate cancer. (It makes the cancer more likely)Things aren't clear or proven yet, there is association but not causation. Particularly when the actual author of the paper Anders Husby says "“There might also be an association between other elements of male reproductive health and the risk of developing prostate cancer,”
The follow up article once the community had had the time to digest and criticise, although the intial paper was peer reviewed, was https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/112/1/5/5497... and said
" So where do we stand? It is an unsatisfying answer, but it remains unclear whether vasectomy is a cause of prostate cancer. "
What would the uninitiated and non-critical or non scientific reader make of a one line "Vasectomy / increased risk of prostate cancer"
I'm not here to chide, but there is nothing more damaging than poor and incomplete research and that article is one or the other.
The interesting interpretation is that "...Although some well-designed, prospective studies have not observed associations (5,7), the HPFS analysis (4) within the highly screened population illustrates the possibility that insufficient adjustment for screening intensity could underestimate an association of vasectomy with more clinically relevant cancer."
If you understand that paragraph and the refs, then the answer might be clearer, but at the moment it's We Don't Know.
4 Siddiqui MM, Wilson KM, Epstein MM, et al. . Vasectomy and risk of aggressive prostate cancer: a 24-year follow-up study. J Clin Oncol. 2014;32(27):3033–3038.
5 Shoag J, Savenkov O, Christos PJ, et al. . Vasectomy and risk of prostate cancer in a screening trial. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2017;26(11):1653–1659.
7 Bhindi B, Wallis CJD, Nayan M, et al. . The association between vasectomy and prostate cancer: a systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA Intern Med. 2017;177(9):1273–1286.
Edited by The_Doc on Wednesday 9th November 09:13
The_Doc said:
Is that a fair and balanced statement, because it isn't really very helpful or represent the full picture. A reader of pistonheads could easily read that as Vasectomy increase(s) the risk of prostate cancer. (It makes the cancer more likely)
It's a header to introduce the studyPeople can make up their own minds I'm sure. HTH
FourGears said:
Swimmers just get absorbed back into the body
I get achey plums sometimes but it is mild.
I had it on the NHS and it was fine. Chatted about Tennis.
Very tight briefs you need
Same for me - did mine Jan 2021 I get achey plums sometimes but it is mild.
I had it on the NHS and it was fine. Chatted about Tennis.
Very tight briefs you need
Waited for what felt like a year on the NHS (covid) so looked to go private - Ended up getting a NHS spot. It was the same surgeon and he said there was no advantages to going private other than the speed you may get seen
Yep tight undies with lots of support for the plumbs
I still get an "achy" run when i need to put more supportive underwear on for a few days - Emptying ones tank helps at this point
You cant get insurance, There are chances you body will fix itself but its bloody rare.
Steve H said:
Private, definitely.
In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
Mine was fine (NHS). The surgeon and I talked about Aston Martin’s and the nurse held my hand! (2013, not 1964).In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
A bit tender for a couple of days, tight pants definitely, some enthusiastic self enjoyment for a couple of weeks, then a screen to ensure the boys are no more (they get reabsorbed).
ChevronB19 said:
Steve H said:
Private, definitely.
In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
Mine was fine (NHS). The surgeon and I talked about Aston Martin’s and the nurse held my hand! (2013, not 1964).In many cases you may end up with the same surgeon on NHS but equally it might be his understudy so why take the chance.
It wasn’t that expensive when I had it done and I was reassured by feeling I had the full attention of the guy with a knife near my equipment.
A bit tender for a couple of days, tight pants definitely, some enthusiastic self enjoyment for a couple of weeks, then a screen to ensure the boys are no more (they get reabsorbed).
).I had my vasectomy in 1994, it was done at a Marie Stopes clinic in Leeds.
Nurse sat talking to me, a quick injection for pain relief, ( actually the worst part of the procedure, the nurse said when the stuff injected reaches the end of your penis it will definitely bring tears to your eyes for a couple of seconds and it definitely did ! ).
A small V shaped cut was made and I think they used a laser to cut and cauterize the tubes at the same time, no pain or discomfort at all during the procedure. A pair of tight trunks to keep it all secure and I drove home afterwards.
Next day the bruising was quite impressive but no discomfort.
No long term after effects at all.
Nurse sat talking to me, a quick injection for pain relief, ( actually the worst part of the procedure, the nurse said when the stuff injected reaches the end of your penis it will definitely bring tears to your eyes for a couple of seconds and it definitely did ! ).
A small V shaped cut was made and I think they used a laser to cut and cauterize the tubes at the same time, no pain or discomfort at all during the procedure. A pair of tight trunks to keep it all secure and I drove home afterwards.
Next day the bruising was quite impressive but no discomfort.
No long term after effects at all.
Insurance for a failed procedure? Good luck with that
Post-op complications are fairly rare but they do happen. You can get some issues with sperm granulomas forming hard lumps at the end of the cut tube. The sperm itself is also apparently an irritating to your body, when the sealed system is cut it can leak into your ballsack and create irritation.
The whole thing isn't so bad if you get the 'no scalpel' procedure they use these days. It's all done through a tiny incision just off centre on your scrotum, you'll have what looks like a couple of pin-pricks there afterwards and some minor swelling. I had a sore left ball for about six months afterwards and it still occasionally feels a bit tender but it's not a big deal. I assume it is some scarring around the cut tubes, all par for the course and part of the expected outcomes that the doctor will discuss with you.
I don't know what your local provision is like bit I don't think it's worth going private unless they're dire. I spoke with my doctor and a couple of months later I was booked into the clinic for the procedure. It was actually a private practice that does NHS vasectomies. The doctor that sorted mine said he does vasectomies privately but there was no real need to pay for it since the referral and turnaround time was pretty much the same if you went through your GP.
Post-op complications are fairly rare but they do happen. You can get some issues with sperm granulomas forming hard lumps at the end of the cut tube. The sperm itself is also apparently an irritating to your body, when the sealed system is cut it can leak into your ballsack and create irritation.
The whole thing isn't so bad if you get the 'no scalpel' procedure they use these days. It's all done through a tiny incision just off centre on your scrotum, you'll have what looks like a couple of pin-pricks there afterwards and some minor swelling. I had a sore left ball for about six months afterwards and it still occasionally feels a bit tender but it's not a big deal. I assume it is some scarring around the cut tubes, all par for the course and part of the expected outcomes that the doctor will discuss with you.
I don't know what your local provision is like bit I don't think it's worth going private unless they're dire. I spoke with my doctor and a couple of months later I was booked into the clinic for the procedure. It was actually a private practice that does NHS vasectomies. The doctor that sorted mine said he does vasectomies privately but there was no real need to pay for it since the referral and turnaround time was pretty much the same if you went through your GP.
Prizam said:
- Does a vasectomy have any long-term side effects? I mean... the swimmers have to go somewhere, right?
- What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
I wonder about the first one too - without relief I would end up with ball ache, but I assume that the sperm is actually only a small proportion of the overall ejaculate? - What are the real statistics on long-term pain and problems with the procedure? There are massive variations in the statistics and reports I can find. Is there any reliable research on this?
The NHS site used to say that there was a 1 in 10 chance of chronic long term pain, which put me right off. I don't think it says that now
I know chaps who’ve had no problems and just the one who suffers a bit. He has a constant ‘blue balls’ (epididymal hypertension) feeling that hasn’t gone (several months). It could be psychological rather than physical as he was looking up every adverse effect before the surgery, but he hasn’t sorted it yet.
Hurts much less than a dual hernia. But more than giving birth.
Don't try and drive home, even on good painkillers.
Flushing the pipes, there are 55,897,675 movies on the internet to help or ask a family member (close one, related to legally) or a friend, just no teabagging for once.
When about day 2 the good painkillers were off just DO NOT bang the clockweights on the toilet seat when sitting down to send a number 2 to United Utilities....I suffered badly from this, my friend whom I told went feral and used a cats litter tray for three days to avoid said issues. Did I say DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Scars after were fun! Damn it crops the nackers off but they were more blue and black than all the Everton Fans in Goodison piling on the referee and linesman.
Clockweights and toilet seats OK. DO NOT BANG them. And be prepared for the funny smell of the loose juice once the plumbing has been changed for a few weeks, mine was a cross between slightly sugary fruit juice and cat piss.
Don't try and drive home, even on good painkillers.
Flushing the pipes, there are 55,897,675 movies on the internet to help or ask a family member (close one, related to legally) or a friend, just no teabagging for once.
When about day 2 the good painkillers were off just DO NOT bang the clockweights on the toilet seat when sitting down to send a number 2 to United Utilities....I suffered badly from this, my friend whom I told went feral and used a cats litter tray for three days to avoid said issues. Did I say DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Scars after were fun! Damn it crops the nackers off but they were more blue and black than all the Everton Fans in Goodison piling on the referee and linesman.
Clockweights and toilet seats OK. DO NOT BANG them. And be prepared for the funny smell of the loose juice once the plumbing has been changed for a few weeks, mine was a cross between slightly sugary fruit juice and cat piss.
Edited by Allegro_Snapon on Saturday 12th November 23:14
Edited by Allegro_Snapon on Saturday 12th November 23:17
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