Unconscious weight bias
Discussion
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/10/ob...
And here we are. I guess doctors and nurses will have to attend unconscious weight bias training now.
And here we are. I guess doctors and nurses will have to attend unconscious weight bias training now.
Excess weight is not the fault of individuals?
I’m not a fat knacker, I exercise a lot and don’t eat (too much) s
t food.
This report is obviously written by a non exercising, lazy fat knacker who can’t be arsed to be healthy so is trying to convince the world that it’s healthy to be unhealthy.
I’m not a fat knacker, I exercise a lot and don’t eat (too much) s
t food. This report is obviously written by a non exercising, lazy fat knacker who can’t be arsed to be healthy so is trying to convince the world that it’s healthy to be unhealthy.
I've put on weight despite always being slim.
There were various reasons. One was that I was forced to give up cycling, something I did most days. One week I clocked 260 miles. Another reason was the pills I was on which lowered metabolic weight. I am also hypothyroid.
My age is a factor in that weight loss is much slower. The lethargy from not cycling, the pills lowering enthusiasm, increased by low thyroid output, meant I was pressured into being less active. As I got fatter, the effort to exercise more became easier to ignore.
I am on a diet. I am losing weight. But it is difficult with social pressures, but am still managing it. But slowly. Back in the day I used to, as my aunts reckoned, 'winter well', which meant putting on a stone, sometimes more, in Jan/Feb. It would go within a couple of weeks of returning to normal levels of activity. Now, If I lose a pound in a week, it is good.
It's easy enough to feel smug when you are not made to feel an outsider in the gym, although most can't afford membership fees, or to opt for cheap foods if you are busy. There's the desire, common in most, to fit in with friends, and if you don't eat/drink what they do, you feel isolated.
There were various reasons. One was that I was forced to give up cycling, something I did most days. One week I clocked 260 miles. Another reason was the pills I was on which lowered metabolic weight. I am also hypothyroid.
My age is a factor in that weight loss is much slower. The lethargy from not cycling, the pills lowering enthusiasm, increased by low thyroid output, meant I was pressured into being less active. As I got fatter, the effort to exercise more became easier to ignore.
I am on a diet. I am losing weight. But it is difficult with social pressures, but am still managing it. But slowly. Back in the day I used to, as my aunts reckoned, 'winter well', which meant putting on a stone, sometimes more, in Jan/Feb. It would go within a couple of weeks of returning to normal levels of activity. Now, If I lose a pound in a week, it is good.
It's easy enough to feel smug when you are not made to feel an outsider in the gym, although most can't afford membership fees, or to opt for cheap foods if you are busy. There's the desire, common in most, to fit in with friends, and if you don't eat/drink what they do, you feel isolated.
Derek Smith said:
It's easy enough to feel smug when you are not made to feel an outsider in the gym, although most can't afford membership fees, or to opt for cheap foods if you are busy. There's the desire, common in most, to fit in with friends, and if you don't eat/drink what they do, you feel isolated.
As a gym outsider I think this is unrelated. If a doctor says you're fat and it's causing health issues, then that's their professional opinion and really instead of crying about it, you need to sit up and listen and really look at life options.
If I go to the gym and am trying to get fit, and people are laughing at me then that makes them look like a bell end, not me.
I've been with friends and family, when they see a fat person jogging or on a bike and they've said "they shouldn't be doing that in public" (or similar) I really lay into them. Because THEY are the ones trying to make a difference and acknowledging something needs to be done. The start of the journey seems like the hardest thing in the world and that gets my respect.
Being too busy to cook proper food is utter bs I’m afraid, whack a load of stuff in the slow cooker, and feeling the need to comply to social pressures cos your mates are doing it, for goodness sake, and in 30 yrs of gym membership I have never ever seen fat shaming or anyone made to feel unwelcome.
mcelliott said:
Being too busy to cook proper food is utter bs I’m afraid, whack a load of stuff in the slow cooker, and feeling the need to comply to social pressures cos your mates are doing it, for goodness sake, and in 30 yrs of gym membership I have never ever seen fat shaming or anyone made to feel unwelcome.
Yup, where do people see “fat shaming “ in gyms?In my experience the last place you would be fat shamed is in the gym.
I imagine people not going to the gym in case they are fat shamed are just using it as an excuse for not going to the gym.
Ambleton said:
If a doctor says you're fat and it's causing health issues, then that's their professional opinion and really instead of crying about it, you need to sit up and listen and really look at life options.
Nothing wrong with that, but what the report is taking issue with is the moralising, the assumption that it's all due to gluttony and sloth, and the issues that causes in making patients reluctant to seek help.It's much like fatty liver disease. It wasn't that long ago that it'd be put down solely to excess drinking and patients' claims that they drank only in moderation were met with scorn. Then we started to see it in kids too young to drink.
So it is for many with obesity. Despite dutifully counting calories and getting their steps in, the weight isn't shifting but the doctor arrogantly dismisses it as not doing enough excercise, or lying about how much they've really eaten, etc. After all, it's just calories in, calories out, isn't it? A calorie is a calorie. Simple physics. Easy peasy. Just eat even less, move even more. Bonus irony points if the doc is carrying a few extra pounds themselves that they can't shift.
Craig W said:
Big difference between carrying around a few stone extra like 70% of the population do, and being obese. I don't think this article relates to the former. Any 'shaming' that you feel if you are in the former camp is entirely within your own head.
2 stone is 13kgs. If you're less than about 5ft8 then that is the difference between a "healthy" BMI range and being obese.mcelliott said:
Being too busy to cook proper food is utter bs I’m afraid, whack a load of stuff in the slow cooker, and feeling the need to comply to social pressures cos your mates are doing it, for goodness sake, and in 30 yrs of gym membership I have never ever seen fat shaming or anyone made to feel unwelcome.
My son works for a charity that assists families with regards organising their lives. Most have never been taught to cook. Your advice of 'bung it all in the slow cooker', perhaps placed on the Aga, might not be all that helpful. I'll mention it to him though. Give him a laugh. People, through no fault of their own, can struggle through ignorance. They don't read 'body beautiful' books giving advice on menus. I've seen single parents with three jobs, one stuffing letters while being interviewed by police.I'm not sure if your comment dismissing peer pressure is serious, but, on the assumption that it is:
Peer pressure is one of the major drivers of people. It drives you, even if you are not aware, or rather especially so. Marketers of high-end products thrive on it. Ads target it. If you believe you are not susceptible and ignore it, you are in their crosshairs. I research it. I write on it. Yet I am influenced by it. It sucks you in. You'll probably reject this. I'll tell the advertisers.
I've seen the stares, the whispers and the different conduct towards the obese at a gym.
Peer pressure? No one is forcing you to do anything, you are the one in charge of making your own decisions, surely you can see the difference between a good decision and a bad one one when it comes to your health, absolutely no one is forcing you to lead an unhealthy lifestyle, I think a lot of these swirling thoughts are just imagined
otolith said:
I find it interesting that (a) treating patients with respect, dignity, and kindness needs to be taught to health professionals and (b) people think that doing so is a bad thing.
It is the normalisation of obesity that concerns.“Obesity has never been a ‘personal problem’,” said Fry. “Healthcare professionals need to get wise to the fact that many individuals affected are powerless to overcome the obesogenic environment in which they live"
Its all very strange, cooking a healthy meal is neither expensive, difficult or time consuming. Exercise doesn't have to cost anything, and learning about how to live a healthy lifestyle is literally as easy as googling it. Of course some people have mecical conditions which will cause wright gain and their doctors will be fully aware of it and I very much feel for these people. However, the vast majority of people that are obese (not just a tad overweight) are in that condition through no fault but their own (fact). I have no idea when the baseline shifted and we started to accept obese as normal, it isn't. All this nonsense about being fat is ok or even beautiful is bks, it shows you are lazy and unhealthy. If you are obese in most cases all it takes is a bit of a lifestyle change which is easy, most can't be arsed.
ks, it shows you are lazy and unhealthy. If you are obese in most cases all it takes is a bit of a lifestyle change which is easy, most can't be arsed. 272BHP said:
It is the normalisation of obesity that concerns.
“Obesity has never been a ‘personal problem’,” said Fry. “Healthcare professionals need to get wise to the fact that many individuals affected are powerless to overcome the obesogenic environment in which they live"
I think if you want to reduce levels of obesity, you need to look at what has changed. People haven't suddenly consciously decided that they want to be fat. I think there's more usefulness in fixing the problem than in feeling morally superior. “Obesity has never been a ‘personal problem’,” said Fry. “Healthcare professionals need to get wise to the fact that many individuals affected are powerless to overcome the obesogenic environment in which they live"
If you look at pictures of people from the 60s and 70s and earlier in fact nearly all of them were slim, you can definitely see a difference in people from the late 80s onwards, this would definitely coincide with the availability of cheap st food, computer consuls and mobile phones, a slow burner to start but fast forward to today and it’s completely out of control. Now we are so far down the line that it became a near impossible trend to reverse
t food, computer consuls and mobile phones, a slow burner to start but fast forward to today and it’s completely out of control. Now we are so far down the line that it became a near impossible trend to reverse Edited by mcelliott on Wednesday 10th August 11:46
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