Unqualified Doc

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I Know Nothing

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2,981 posts

79 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Question. You can't be a Doctor in the UK if your not qualified or part qualified can you?

I know it is a stupid question but a friend insists you can!

LunarOne

5,675 posts

142 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Anyone can call themselves a doctor in the UK, but you can't practice medicine without a licence to do so, which you would need to actually be qualified to get. But if you just want to style yourself as Doctor Who or Doctor Fox and don't intend to deceive, then that's legal.

Badda

2,803 posts

87 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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I Know Nothing said:
Question. You can't be a Doctor in the UK if your not qualified or part qualified can you?

I know it is a stupid question but a friend insists you can!
You can be a non medical doctor I.E. you’ve got a PhD.

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

265 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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That's interesting. I once knew a person who put himself down as a Dr on his DL but only until he changed address. Then he went back to being Mr. I wonder if that was illegal?

Rockets7

379 posts

135 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Boosted LS1 said:
That's interesting. I once knew a person who put himself down as a Dr on his DL but only until he changed address. Then he went back to being Mr. I wonder if that was illegal?
Maybe they became a consultant ..... this changes Dr back to Mr...

Ouroboros

2,371 posts

44 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Rockets7 said:
Maybe they became a consultant ..... this changes Dr back to Mr...
Still a Dr though.

Surgeons are known as Mr/Mrs/Ms, it is a honour over being addressed as a Dr. They are still Drs

Dentists are doctors.

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

265 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Rockets7 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
That's interesting. I once knew a person who put himself down as a Dr on his DL but only until he changed address. Then he went back to being Mr. I wonder if that was illegal?
Maybe they became a consultant ..... this changes Dr back to Mr...
He wasn't qualified at anything. He just did it for the sake of having it on his DL for a while. He was a tit.

blue_haddock

3,667 posts

72 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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You could be an advanced nurse practioner or Physician associate and deal with certain amounts of what a doctor does without being a qualified doctor.

Badda

2,803 posts

87 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Ouroboros said:
Rockets7 said:
Maybe they became a consultant ..... this changes Dr back to Mr...
Still a Dr though.

Surgeons are known as Mr/Mrs/Ms, it is a honour over being addressed as a Dr. They are still Drs

Dentists are doctors.
Dentists aren’t drs.

Nimby

4,820 posts

155 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Here's an (in)famous example exposed by Ben Goldacre in Bad Science

"Doctor" Gillian McKeith

Ouroboros

2,371 posts

44 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Badda said:
entists aren’t drs.
Vets can use the title Dr, as can Dentists. It is used as a courtesy title.

ruggedscotty

5,753 posts

214 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Badda said:
Ouroboros said:
Rockets7 said:
Maybe they became a consultant ..... this changes Dr back to Mr...
Still a Dr though.

Surgeons are known as Mr/Mrs/Ms, it is a honour over being addressed as a Dr. They are still Drs

Dentists are doctors.
Dentists aren’t drs.
The General Dental Council (GDC) has said on the issue: ‘The GDC does not prohibit the use of the title ‘Doctor’ as a courtesy title in the case of dentists. Dentists who choose to use the title must ensure that it is not used in a way which could mislead the public, for example by giving the impression that the dentist is a registered medical practitioner if they are not.’



Ouroboros

2,371 posts

44 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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ruggedscotty said:
The General Dental Council (GDC) has said on the issue: ‘The GDC does not prohibit the use of the title ‘Doctor’ as a courtesy title in the case of dentists. Dentists who choose to use the title must ensure that it is not used in a way which could mislead the public, for example by giving the impression that the dentist is a registered medical practitioner if they are not.’
my dentist has Dr on their coat.

ruggedscotty

5,753 posts

214 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Ouroboros said:
Badda said:
entists aren’t drs.
Vets can use the title Dr, as can Dentists. It is used as a courtesy title.
why use dr... when they can be a surgeon.... ;-)


StevieBee

13,337 posts

260 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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I believe the law forbids the unqualified use of Dr. on official documentation. So the guy who used it on his Driving License would have faced penalty if ever it was called in.

The Advertising Standards Authority have very clear guidelines on when it can and can't be used. It's most commonly abused in the field of alternative and non-standard medicine. For example, a practitioner in Chinese medicine may have qualifications from Chinese institutions which would afford him Dr status there but not here unless he is registered with the General Medical Council in the UK and hold a general medical qualification from a recognised institution.

The suffix M.D. is often used to differentiate a medical doctor from one who has a Doctorate (who would suffix with PhD).

There's nothing stopping you using Dr informally or in any obviously non-medical way (I'm sure I've seen a sign somewhere for Dr Clutch!)



oddman

2,598 posts

257 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Can be complicated and confusing. Covered by ss. 49 and 49A of the Medical Act

This covers Registered Medical Practitioners - what most people are referring to as a medical doctor

Doctor is a courtesy title for medics when they get their Bachelors degree (MBChB or BMBS or suchlike) required to qualify then they do preregistration training before becoming a RMP.

There are quite a few people in the NHS who are PhD doctors - notably psychologists and sometimes nurses. This can be somewhat confusing for patients but these people only commit an offence if they pretended to be a RMP.

MD is the equivalent of PhD (doctors can do a PhDs too) depending on circumstances but only undertaken by a minority of UK doctors as it is a serious undertaking to do whilst training. MD is US the counterpart of our bachelors degree where medicine is a post graduate course.

Specialists are required to do further exams and training for become members or fellows of the relevant Royal College (Physicians surgeons, psychiatrists etc) and then, following higher training, go on to achieve a certificate of specialist training. Overseas doctors become specialists by demonstrating equivalence.

The Royal College membership is when surgeons and gynaecologists can revert to Mr or Miss. Historically physicians looked down on surgeons and didn't regard them as doctors so it's a nod to this ancient snobbery.

You can check whether someone is on the medical register and their specialist qualifications at the GMC

98elise

27,746 posts

166 months

Wednesday 15th June 2022
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I Know Nothing said:
Question. You can't be a Doctor in the UK if your not qualified or part qualified can you?

I know it is a stupid question but a friend insists you can!
It depends on what you mean by "be a Doctor" (see above for examples).



sparkyhx

4,185 posts

209 months

Wednesday 15th June 2022
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Even as a qualified DR, you need significant extra training and exams to be a GP, but can work freely in a hospital.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

195 months

Thursday 16th June 2022
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Significant training to become a GP... And then little or no training requirements for the rest of your life...

Hence a very small number of totally fking useless GPs.


M4cruiser

3,995 posts

155 months

Thursday 16th June 2022
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Jeremy Clarkson is a doctor
... but I wouldn't consult him about my noisy rear end.