2kg weight loss in 6 weeks. Time for a fad diet?
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Hi all
I have found myself training for a novice kickboxing fight.
I need to get under 75kg, which means losing 2kg. Weighing is done on the day so need to do this the hard way.
I’m training 4-6 days a week with moderate intensity which will build up as we get closer. I’m about 15-17% body fat. I’m six weeks out.
Any thoughts on options re: tapering off carbs gradually, knocking them back a lot now, or exploring weird options like keto/fasting?
It would be piss easy if I wasn’t out exercising so much. I’m looking at the best way of getting balance so I’m able to train effectively.
Cheers.
I have found myself training for a novice kickboxing fight.
I need to get under 75kg, which means losing 2kg. Weighing is done on the day so need to do this the hard way.
I’m training 4-6 days a week with moderate intensity which will build up as we get closer. I’m about 15-17% body fat. I’m six weeks out.
Any thoughts on options re: tapering off carbs gradually, knocking them back a lot now, or exploring weird options like keto/fasting?
It would be piss easy if I wasn’t out exercising so much. I’m looking at the best way of getting balance so I’m able to train effectively.
Cheers.
Prof Prolapse said:
Hi all
I have found myself training for a novice kickboxing fight.
I need to get under 75kg, which means losing 2kg. Weighing is done on the day so need to do this the hard way.
I’m training 4-6 days a week with moderate intensity which will build up as we get closer. I’m about 15-17% body fat. I’m six weeks out.
Any thoughts on options re: tapering off carbs gradually, knocking them back a lot now, or exploring weird options like keto/fasting?
It would be piss easy if I wasn’t out exercising so much. I’m looking at the best way of getting balance so I’m able to train effectively.
Cheers.
Hard to say without looking at your current diet, if it's not super clean make sure it is, also maybe throw in some HIIT sessions during the run in, for sure keto will get you your 2kgs easy, but you will lose quite a bit of power so that would impact on your training, as regards Fasting, works well for me as a tool for well being but not so much for weight loss.I have found myself training for a novice kickboxing fight.
I need to get under 75kg, which means losing 2kg. Weighing is done on the day so need to do this the hard way.
I’m training 4-6 days a week with moderate intensity which will build up as we get closer. I’m about 15-17% body fat. I’m six weeks out.
Any thoughts on options re: tapering off carbs gradually, knocking them back a lot now, or exploring weird options like keto/fasting?
It would be piss easy if I wasn’t out exercising so much. I’m looking at the best way of getting balance so I’m able to train effectively.
Cheers.
It’s a relatively clean diet. I can do more.
HIIT I do about three to four times a week with bag work. I’m going to start throwing in the odd short run, but I can’t exercise 2kg in that time.
I need the power for sparring. I’m, frankly, not very skilled, at boxing so power and stamina is all I have over someone else. It’s probably not the time to try new things either I guess.
Less calories, more effort, and balance to try not to burn out then I guess.
HIIT I do about three to four times a week with bag work. I’m going to start throwing in the odd short run, but I can’t exercise 2kg in that time.
I need the power for sparring. I’m, frankly, not very skilled, at boxing so power and stamina is all I have over someone else. It’s probably not the time to try new things either I guess.
Less calories, more effort, and balance to try not to burn out then I guess.
Assuming these sessions are not more than an hour or so, you can probably just eat a normal sedentary person diet. I think folk massively overeat when they do a bit of exercise without realising how hard it is to burn 1kcals vs eat it.
Of course the really easy way is to eat clean and not go over the top for 3 weeks and see how you go, if that doesn't work then reduce carbs for basically for all meals apart from the one before the workout, or just use energy gels or something, f
k all cals in those, they'll give you what you need with no other crap.
I could probably lose 2kg this week by shedding water quite easily.
Drink a bottle of red wine and no dinner a couple of times in that final week would probably work too.
Of course the really easy way is to eat clean and not go over the top for 3 weeks and see how you go, if that doesn't work then reduce carbs for basically for all meals apart from the one before the workout, or just use energy gels or something, f
k all cals in those, they'll give you what you need with no other crap.I could probably lose 2kg this week by shedding water quite easily.
Drink a bottle of red wine and no dinner a couple of times in that final week would probably work too.
2kg, easy. Could do it in a week, particularly with mid teens BF at present.
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Targeted keto diets also work if training, carbs focused around training.
It’s simple really, calories in vs calories out.
What format is the fight 3 x 3 mins?
I used to Thai box, do you really need power for sparring? Surely save that for the fight, focus on cardio, technique, defence. You can develop power on the pads/ bag, therefore if in a calorie deficit, less important and won’t interrupt with training so much.
Good luck!
Search out Lyle Macdonald rapid fat loss diet.
Targeted keto diets also work if training, carbs focused around training.
It’s simple really, calories in vs calories out.
What format is the fight 3 x 3 mins?
I used to Thai box, do you really need power for sparring? Surely save that for the fight, focus on cardio, technique, defence. You can develop power on the pads/ bag, therefore if in a calorie deficit, less important and won’t interrupt with training so much.
Good luck!
Edited by Mankers on Wednesday 2nd March 21:40
Thanks all. It's good to have some thoughts to bounce off.
I had some positive movement on the scales this morning, so more positive that things are heading in the right direction without the need for anything more complicated than a slight calorie reduction, and less crap. I still clearly have time, and I'm also realising the amount you can lose by dehydration and reducing salt is also quite incredible, so there's a decent safety net available there (and certainly the day before the weigh in).
The idea of supplementing meals with wine once a week is a good one as well, I'm sure it'll make some folk cringe, but it is nice to find a way to drink to socialise with the spouse who has been very supportive of this non-sense. Staying off the salty snacks after a bottle of wine is a challenge though!
No, you're absolute correct, I don't need the power for sparring per se, but I feel I need the endurance, and strength, to keep going as sparring is the last part of a mixed training session, for the reasons you correctly mention, and I get the most from it when my brain is still working and my body is doing what I want it to. But there's nothing to stop me being strategic with meals to ensure I can get the most from sessions.
Better stop thinking about it and get on with it really.
Cheers.
I had some positive movement on the scales this morning, so more positive that things are heading in the right direction without the need for anything more complicated than a slight calorie reduction, and less crap. I still clearly have time, and I'm also realising the amount you can lose by dehydration and reducing salt is also quite incredible, so there's a decent safety net available there (and certainly the day before the weigh in).
The idea of supplementing meals with wine once a week is a good one as well, I'm sure it'll make some folk cringe, but it is nice to find a way to drink to socialise with the spouse who has been very supportive of this non-sense. Staying off the salty snacks after a bottle of wine is a challenge though!
Mankers said:
What format is the fight 3 x 3 mins?
I used to Thai box, do you really need power for sparring? Surely save that for the fight, focus on cardio, technique, defence. You can develop power on the pads/ bag, therefore if in a calorie deficit, less important and won’t interrupt with training so much.
Good luck!
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Yes - I believe 3x3 mins, but I've been drip fed so little information at this point I'm honestly not sure. Even the organisation's website is very vague. It's clearly going to be an absolutely manic dash in last month before the fight to be ready, which makes it all the more difficult for me as an absolute novice, perhaps this is normal and I'm just impatient, I suppose all should become clear. In the mean time I focus on what I know I guess.I used to Thai box, do you really need power for sparring? Surely save that for the fight, focus on cardio, technique, defence. You can develop power on the pads/ bag, therefore if in a calorie deficit, less important and won’t interrupt with training so much.
Good luck!
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No, you're absolute correct, I don't need the power for sparring per se, but I feel I need the endurance, and strength, to keep going as sparring is the last part of a mixed training session, for the reasons you correctly mention, and I get the most from it when my brain is still working and my body is doing what I want it to. But there's nothing to stop me being strategic with meals to ensure I can get the most from sessions.
Better stop thinking about it and get on with it really.
Cheers.
okgo said:
Assuming these sessions are not more than an hour or so, you can probably just eat a normal sedentary person diet. I think folk massively overeat when they do a bit of exercise without realising how hard it is to burn 1kcals vs eat it.
Of course the really easy way is to eat clean and not go over the top for 3 weeks and see how you go, if that doesn't work then reduce carbs for basically for all meals apart from the one before the workout, or just use energy gels or something, fk all cals in those, they'll give you what you need with no other crap.
I could probably lose 2kg this week by shedding water quite easily.
Drink a bottle of red wine and no dinner a couple of times in that final week would probably work too.
While this is tempting, and any cut will mean a level of dehydration, please be careful. Dehydration really effects your performance and will increase the likely hood and severity of concussion (something about loss of cushioning fluid around the brain). Of course the really easy way is to eat clean and not go over the top for 3 weeks and see how you go, if that doesn't work then reduce carbs for basically for all meals apart from the one before the workout, or just use energy gels or something, f
k all cals in those, they'll give you what you need with no other crap.I could probably lose 2kg this week by shedding water quite easily.
Drink a bottle of red wine and no dinner a couple of times in that final week would probably work too.
Also, watch what you eat pre fight if you have been strictly controlling your diet. Vomiting in front of a crowd of people there to watch a fight is embarrassing…ask me how I know.
When I was fighting, I didn’t do keto, (last fight was 15 or so Years ago) but last year I went from 220lb to 177lb in 4 months relatively easily, but it did kill my performance, judging by my deadlift ability.
I don’t know much about it, but having read some articles, the dehydration thing is pretty scary. The bottom line is that for me, this is amateur hour, I’m not going to make myself Ill over a hobby. I have a life outside of this. Worst case scenario I go up a weight category. At this level it doesn’t really matter I wouldn’t have thought.
Down to 76kg already. Trained 4 days this week. Moderate to hard. No issues with energy levels. If I don’t get consistently down to 75.XKg in the coming weeks I’ll try harder, otherwise it seems no special measures required, so I’ll dodge “keto” etc. for now.
I miss deadlift. All my big weights are in storage. I’ve been doing 20 reps of piss weak Romanian deadlifts. Doesn’t really have the same buzz as lifting over twice your bodyweight!
Down to 76kg already. Trained 4 days this week. Moderate to hard. No issues with energy levels. If I don’t get consistently down to 75.XKg in the coming weeks I’ll try harder, otherwise it seems no special measures required, so I’ll dodge “keto” etc. for now.
I miss deadlift. All my big weights are in storage. I’ve been doing 20 reps of piss weak Romanian deadlifts. Doesn’t really have the same buzz as lifting over twice your bodyweight!
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Friday 4th March 22:32
Prof Prolapse said:
I don’t know much about it, but having read some articles, the dehydration thing is pretty scary. The bottom line is that for me, this is amateur hour, I’m not going to make myself Ill over a hobby. I have a life outside of this. Worst case scenario I go up a weight category. At this level it doesn’t really matter I wouldn’t have thought.
Down to 76kg already. Trained 4 days this week. Moderate to hard. No issues with energy levels. If I don’t get consistently down to 75.XKg in the coming weeks I’ll try harder, otherwise it seems no special measures required, so I’ll dodge “keto” etc. for now.
I miss deadlift. All my big weights are in storage. I’ve been doing 20 reps of piss weak Romanian deadlifts. Doesn’t really have the same buzz as lifting over twice your bodyweight!
1 Kg should be easy, just no evening meal before fight day and only a very small amount of water before in the morning that you weigh in. Down to 76kg already. Trained 4 days this week. Moderate to hard. No issues with energy levels. If I don’t get consistently down to 75.XKg in the coming weeks I’ll try harder, otherwise it seems no special measures required, so I’ll dodge “keto” etc. for now.
I miss deadlift. All my big weights are in storage. I’ve been doing 20 reps of piss weak Romanian deadlifts. Doesn’t really have the same buzz as lifting over twice your bodyweight!
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Friday 4th March 22:32
Good luck with the fight, post a vid if you can….
Ahem, I'll just leave this here, regarding "Shane Warne had completed 'ridiculous' 14-day diet just before his death"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/03/06/sha...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/03/06/sha...
ReverendCounter said:
Ahem, I'll just leave this here, regarding "Shane Warne had completed 'ridiculous' 14-day diet just before his death"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/03/06/sha...
Ok, at risk of total thread de rail, if releasing fat into the blood stream is dangerous, how should one lose weight? Lipo? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/03/06/sha...
Surely any healthy weight loss is based on reducing fat. To reduce fat you have to burn fat. To burn fat stored fat has to be released into the blood stream as fuel (to massively over simplify).
Liokault said:
Ok, at risk of total thread de rail, if releasing fat into the blood stream is dangerous, how should one lose weight? Lipo?
It doesn't say that at all It was the high amount of fat in a short time frame that was the problem.
Everyone knows these types of diets aren't healthy
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