Singapore to charge anti-vaxxers for Covid treatment
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It's happening in the US as well https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-de...
Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
anonymous said:
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I think it's a great idea but the problem is that lots of illnesses are arguably self-inflicted due to people being lazy, stupid, or lacking self-control. If we propose to charge anti-vaxxers should we also charge fat people or smokers for any illnesses they suffer from? deckster said:
It's happening in the US as well https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-de...
Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
Is that Insurance Companies or Employers? I assume that Employers are having to pay more so they're passing on the cost to Employees which seems fair enough.Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
Countdown said:
deckster said:
It's happening in the US as well https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-de...
Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
Is that Insurance Companies or Employers? I assume that Employers are having to pay more so they're passing on the cost to Employees which seems fair enough.Which is an interesting point. Is this just big insurance companies gouging their customers for everything they can - or market forces giving us a real-world insight into the additional cost of treating the unvaccinated?
deckster said:
Yes - good point, this is the employer levying the charge rather than the insurer. But either way, there is clear precedent for the unvaccinated to be subject to additional charges. My point being that this is evidence that the unvaccinated are incurring higher costs of treatment than the vaccinated (which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody).
This is exactly the point. Yesterday, there were anti-vaxxers protesting outside my daughter's school again
Fair enough; feel free to choose as a long as you're happy to pay if you end up in A&E with breathing difficulties.
TBH - I'm not sure where I stand on this.
On the one hand I can see the logic behind this, on the other:
Smokers
Contact sportspeople
Fatties
Alcoholics
Druggies
Attempted suicides
D.I.Y.ers
Cyclists and motorcyclists
Drivers (for any sort of 'driving for pleasure')
Where do you draw the line?
On the one hand I can see the logic behind this, on the other:
Smokers
Contact sportspeople
Fatties
Alcoholics
Druggies
Attempted suicides
D.I.Y.ers
Cyclists and motorcyclists
Drivers (for any sort of 'driving for pleasure')
Where do you draw the line?
I am 100% against any form of charging for medical treatment at the point of need, regardless of any factors impacting how they got sick or injured. I think the US system of everybody needing health insurance is fundamentally broken and results in a bad deal for everybody (apart from the insurance companies).
I do however think it is interesting that some companies who are in a position to do so, are levying charges against the unvaccinated in an attempt to offset the additional cost of treating them. I think it is a dangerous and undesirable trend but I can definitely see that, outwith of any legislation to the contrary, health insurance premiums will be going up for those who don't get the vaccine.
I do however think it is interesting that some companies who are in a position to do so, are levying charges against the unvaccinated in an attempt to offset the additional cost of treating them. I think it is a dangerous and undesirable trend but I can definitely see that, outwith of any legislation to the contrary, health insurance premiums will be going up for those who don't get the vaccine.
In any country where healthcare is funded primarily through taxation (eg UK) there would be a strange anomaly where net positive tax/NI payers who were not vaxxed would be refused treatment and net negative tax/NI receivers would be granted treatment if they were vaxxed. All on the premise of the individuals cost to the heath service and completely disregarding their contribution.
i4got said:
In any country where healthcare is funded primarily through taxation (eg UK) there would be a strange anomaly where net positive tax/NI payers who were not vaxxed would be refused treatment and net negative tax/NI receivers would be granted treatment if they were vaxxed. All on the premise of the individuals cost to the heath service and completely disregarding their contribution.
If you believe the figures, it's the un-vaxed who are disproportionately filling the ICU beds. And, therefore, directly creating the conditions for another frickin lockdown.
Whilst banging on and on about "their" rights.
What about the rights of everyone else?
There are 2 million of these people in London.
I for one have had enough of indulging them.
AC43 said:
i4got said:
In any country where healthcare is funded primarily through taxation (eg UK) there would be a strange anomaly where net positive tax/NI payers who were not vaxxed would be refused treatment and net negative tax/NI receivers would be granted treatment if they were vaxxed. All on the premise of the individuals cost to the heath service and completely disregarding their contribution.
If you believe the figures, it's the un-vaxed who are disproportionately filling the ICU beds. And, therefore, directly creating the conditions for another frickin lockdown.
Whilst banging on and on about "their" rights.
What about the rights of everyone else?
There are 2 million of these people in London.
I for one have had enough of indulging them.
As for my point - the only reason the ICU beds are there in the first place is that someone paid for them. If I was unvaxxed, required hospital treatment and was refused it, I'd be looking for my money back. Unless they brought in a consistent process where treatment was equally withheld from fat people, smokers, dangerous sports participants etc. You can very easily say (as people do) "Yes but not being vaxxed can affect other people". My answer to that is if you're a fat smoker requiring an ICU bed then you also are impacting other people by causing resources to be unavailable to others. I am vaxxed by the way before any play the man responses come in.
i4got said:
AC43 said:
i4got said:
In any country where healthcare is funded primarily through taxation (eg UK) there would be a strange anomaly where net positive tax/NI payers who were not vaxxed would be refused treatment and net negative tax/NI receivers would be granted treatment if they were vaxxed. All on the premise of the individuals cost to the heath service and completely disregarding their contribution.
If you believe the figures, it's the un-vaxed who are disproportionately filling the ICU beds. And, therefore, directly creating the conditions for another frickin lockdown.
Whilst banging on and on about "their" rights.
What about the rights of everyone else?
There are 2 million of these people in London.
I for one have had enough of indulging them.
As for my point - the only reason the ICU beds are there in the first place is that someone paid for them. If I was unvaxxed, required hospital treatment and was refused it, I'd be looking for my money back. Unless they brought in a consistent process where treatment was equally withheld from fat people, smokers, dangerous sports participants etc. You can very easily say (as people do) "Yes but not being vaxxed can affect other people". My answer to that is if you're a fat smoker requiring an ICU bed then you also are impacting other people by causing resources to be unavailable to others. I am vaxxed by the way before any play the man responses come in.
Regarding the rest of it, I get where you're coming from - and you're right.
I'm just getting exasperated with the situation. The anti-vaxxers that having been campaigning outside my daughter's school again have really pissed me off. Targeting teenagers with social media-driven conspiracy guff is despicable.
Having said that, one of my daughter's friends told them to do one in no uncertain terms which I think is really funny.
Had I been there, I had most certainly have done the same.
AC43 said:
Whilst banging on and on about "their" rights.
What about the rights of everyone else?
There are 2 million of these people in London.
I for one have had enough of indulging them.
my "Rights" are just as fWhat about the rights of everyone else?
There are 2 million of these people in London.
I for one have had enough of indulging them.
ked as yours mate, pinning on the likes of me, some little agency worker from the midlands having the kind of power to fk your last 22 months up is completely insane.No "Anti vaxxer" has the state power to impose a lockdown.
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