Calf problems and running.

Calf problems and running.

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Louis Balfour

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27,324 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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I gave up running ten years ago, due to repeated calf problems. I started again recently and once again I am having calf trouble.

I started out with 2k, then last week pushed it to 3k, but at 2k my left calf started to hurt. A week later and I have rested it / massaged it / stretched it. But at 0.5k today I got a twinge so stopped immediately.

My calves are very tight. If I do the "knee to wall" test I score poorly.

Is there any hope for me, or should I just accept that I will never run again?


2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,473 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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Stop wearing those high heeled boots hehe

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

27,324 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Stop wearing those high heeled boots hehe
Think that's the issue?

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,473 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Stop wearing those high heeled boots hehe
Think that's the issue?
Always gets me that way.

Skyedriver

18,517 posts

287 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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On a serious note: when I started again about 7 year ago after a 30 year or more lay off, I suffered as you are now. Crippling pain after about 3k. Sometimes I limped on at a reduced pace or walked to the finish (5K Parkruns).
Stretches before you start help and eventually you'll find it doesn't happen anymore.

james6546

1,085 posts

56 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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I've found a sports massage helps with it.

I had problems after mostly running on the flat around Reading then having to run up massive hills at home once the project finished

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

229 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
I gave up running ten years ago, due to repeated calf problems. I started again recently and once again I am having calf trouble.

I started out with 2k, then last week pushed it to 3k, but at 2k my left calf started to hurt. A week later and I have rested it / massaged it / stretched it. But at 0.5k today I got a twinge so stopped immediately.

My calves are very tight. If I do the "knee to wall" test I score poorly.

Is there any hope for me, or should I just accept that I will never run again?
Your issues could be sorted in 5 minutes with the right test. You are probably suffering from limited ankle dorsiflexion. The wall test is a waste of time. It’s a real shame we don’t have anyone like this in the U.K..


https://zaccupples.com/common-ankle-problems/

This one is a better video. He is pri trained they are super knowledgeable

https://youtu.be/luyDiMRoXNI







Edited by markcoznottz on Thursday 2nd December 20:10

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

27,324 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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markcoznottz said:
Louis Balfour said:
I gave up running ten years ago, due to repeated calf problems. I started again recently and once again I am having calf trouble.

I started out with 2k, then last week pushed it to 3k, but at 2k my left calf started to hurt. A week later and I have rested it / massaged it / stretched it. But at 0.5k today I got a twinge so stopped immediately.

My calves are very tight. If I do the "knee to wall" test I score poorly.

Is there any hope for me, or should I just accept that I will never run again?
Your issues could be sorted in 5 minutes with the right test. You are probably suffering from limited ankle dorsiflexion. The wall test is a waste of time. It’s a real shame we don’t have anyone like this in the U.K..


https://zaccupples.com/common-ankle-problems/

This one is a better video. He is pri trained they are super knowledgeable

https://youtu.be/luyDiMRoXNI







Edited by markcoznottz on Thursday 2nd December 20:10
My head was spinning after 10 minutes of that!

So what do I need to do?

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

229 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
markcoznottz said:
Louis Balfour said:
I gave up running ten years ago, due to repeated calf problems. I started again recently and once again I am having calf trouble.

I started out with 2k, then last week pushed it to 3k, but at 2k my left calf started to hurt. A week later and I have rested it / massaged it / stretched it. But at 0.5k today I got a twinge so stopped immediately.

My calves are very tight. If I do the "knee to wall" test I score poorly.

Is there any hope for me, or should I just accept that I will never run again?
Your issues could be sorted in 5 minutes with the right test. You are probably suffering from limited ankle dorsiflexion. The wall test is a waste of time. It’s a real shame we don’t have anyone like this in the U.K..


https://zaccupples.com/common-ankle-problems/

This one is a better video. He is pri trained they are super knowledgeable

https://youtu.be/luyDiMRoXNI







Edited by markcoznottz on Thursday 2nd December 20:10
My head was spinning after 10 minutes of that!

So what do I need to do?
Is your tib anterior sore? Does it feel likes it’s facilitated ie ‘tensed ‘ up

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

27,324 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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markcoznottz said:
Louis Balfour said:
markcoznottz said:
Louis Balfour said:
I gave up running ten years ago, due to repeated calf problems. I started again recently and once again I am having calf trouble.

I started out with 2k, then last week pushed it to 3k, but at 2k my left calf started to hurt. A week later and I have rested it / massaged it / stretched it. But at 0.5k today I got a twinge so stopped immediately.

My calves are very tight. If I do the "knee to wall" test I score poorly.

Is there any hope for me, or should I just accept that I will never run again?
Your issues could be sorted in 5 minutes with the right test. You are probably suffering from limited ankle dorsiflexion. The wall test is a waste of time. It’s a real shame we don’t have anyone like this in the U.K..


https://zaccupples.com/common-ankle-problems/

This one is a better video. He is pri trained they are super knowledgeable

https://youtu.be/luyDiMRoXNI







Edited by markcoznottz on Thursday 2nd December 20:10
My head was spinning after 10 minutes of that!

So what do I need to do?
Is your tib anterior sore? Does it feel likes it’s facilitated ie ‘tensed ‘ up
No, everything feels fine apart from pain in the middle of what I believe is my left gastrocnemius.


Steve 944T

143 posts

252 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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I had to stop running and rugby about 20 years ago for the same reason. In my case the calf pain (felt like very severe cramp and would last for several days) was eventually diagnosed as collapsed arches (flat feet). I’m sure there is a technical term but I don’t remember it. Custom orthotics worked for me day to day but severe pain would return within half a mile or so if I tried to run.

Over the years I tried several times to get back into running but always the calf pain returned. But a couple of years ago I decided to go for it again, successfully this time. Key for me was to really take it steady, increasing distance only very gradually. I bought some compression calf sleeves - they look ridiculous but possibly help a bit. Also lots and lots of calf raises and regular use of a foam roller. And proper running shoes are a must, still using the orthotics in my case.

I now run 2 or 3 times per week and am building up to a half marathon next year. I am a lot slower than I was 20 years ago but who cares!

That was a very long way of saying don’t give up. If 3k causes you pain stick to 2k for a few weeks and only increase very gradually. Running has kept me sane over the last 18 months so I really hope you can get back into it.


MC Bodge

22,453 posts

180 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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I had calf problems for a number of years through my 30s. Very frustrating. I am now in my mid 40s and fit and active, and I without calf problems.

Get a skipping rope and use it a few times a week -if you can, do two feet and one foot, mix it up.

Do some whole body strength training. Combined with good form, it can make a huge difference to your resilence and efficiency.

Use a roller, on the backs of your calves and hamstrings and on the side and fronts of your calves and thighs.

I also wear low/zero heel drop, thin/zero cushioned footwear at almost all times, which may help with foot and lower leg function.

Louis Balfour

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27,324 posts

227 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Thanks for this guys. I LIKE running and it is tough keep getting inuries.

the_stoat

509 posts

216 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Give no lift shoes, for example Vivo Barefoot, with minimal cushioning. It does take a small time to adapt to forefoot strikes. My calf issues and shin splints disappeared from going minimalist.

Louis Balfour

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27,324 posts

227 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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It was forefoot strikes that started my problems. I could run okay until a physio corrected my running!


MC Bodge

22,453 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
It was forefoot strikes that started my problems. I could run okay until a physio corrected my running!
Fore/mid-foot striking is the correct (and smoothest, least pounding, most efficient) way to run. Heel striking without shoes would be crippling and can cause knee and hip injuries long-term with shoes on, although some people can get away with it.

It can take a lot of conditioning for people who have been used to wearing shoes and trainers with a high heel to toe drop.


Louis Balfour

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Friday 3rd December 2021
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MC Bodge said:
Louis Balfour said:
It was forefoot strikes that started my problems. I could run okay until a physio corrected my running!
Fore/mid-foot striking is the correct (and smoothest, least pounding, most efficient) way to run. Heel striking without shoes would be crippling and can cause knee and hip injuries long-term with shoes on, although some people can get away with it.

It can take a lot of conditioning for people who have been used to wearing shoes and trainers with a high heel to toe drop.
Is that actually correct? I used to heel strike, the physio taught me not to, I was unable to run. I also believe that long distance runners heel strike (in shoes anyway).

MC Bodge

22,453 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
Is that actually correct? I used to heel strike, the physio taught me not to, I was unable to run. I also believe that long distance runners heel strike (in shoes anyway).


It is correct. It may take time to condition/adapt, but heel striking is not ideal - Every step results in a shock load to a heel and straight leg. I did and suffered knee and hip problems in my early 20s.

I now run like the form on the right, lighter on my feet, and with a quicker, shorter, forward stride, even for distances beyond a marathon, and don't have problems.

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

27,324 posts

227 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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MC Bodge said:
Louis Balfour said:
Is that actually correct? I used to heel strike, the physio taught me not to, I was unable to run. I also believe that long distance runners heel strike (in shoes anyway).


It is correct. It may take time to condition/adapt, but heel striking is not ideal - Every step results in a shock load to a heel and straight leg. I did and suffered knee and hip problems in my early 20s.

I now run like the form on the right, lighter on my feet, and with a quicker, shorter, forward stride, even for distances beyond a marathon, and don't have problems.
Looking at the diagrams, if you're prone to calf problems (like me) a forefoot strike is going to challenge the calf muscles more than a heel strike. Which essentially what happened and what ended my running.

MC Bodge

22,453 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
MC Bodge said:
Louis Balfour said:
Is that actually correct? I used to heel strike, the physio taught me not to, I was unable to run. I also believe that long distance runners heel strike (in shoes anyway).


It is correct. It may take time to condition/adapt, but heel striking is not ideal - Every step results in a shock load to a heel and straight leg. I did and suffered knee and hip problems in my early 20s.

I now run like the form on the right, lighter on my feet, and with a quicker, shorter, forward stride, even for distances beyond a marathon, and don't have problems.
Looking at the diagrams, if you're prone to calf problems (like me) a forefoot strike is going to challenge the calf muscles more than a heel strike. Which essentially what happened and what ended my running.
Your calves are not fully conditioned.

I have personally experienced the exact same thing and got through it.