Which country has the best health service

[Ivan stewart]

Not this one for sure !!

[roger.mellie]

Define best. I think we should assemble a quango to ensure that we’re properly getting down to the meaning of the word best before even thinking of how it could be utilised as an effective measurement metric.

[Johnnytheboy]

I expect it'll be one of those smug Scandi countries.

Probably Norway, and be entirely unrelated to their massive oil wealth and low population.

[greygoose]

roger.mellie said:

Define best. I think we should assemble a quango to ensure that we’re properly getting down to the meaning of the word best before even thinking of how it could be utilised as an effective measurement metric.

They all fail to be honest, everyone dies in the end.

[Murph7355]

roger.mellie said:

Define best. I think we should assemble a quango to ensure that we’re properly getting down to the meaning of the word best before even thinking of how it could be utilised as an effective measurement metric.

This is a very key point.

We then need to be clear on what other metrics are important in the final summation.

[s1962a]

If you got the money surely it has to to be the US?

[Murph7355]

anonymous said:

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This in spades.

We have become a nation of entitled fkwits and I don't see any way back from it.

Can you imagine what would be said if any govt tried to introduce more such "friction" into the system?

[roger.mellie]

anonymous said:

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Good post and glad to see you taking the subject seriously when I was just having a laugh.

In NI we don’t even have prescription charges. It’s not a huge cost to the exchequer but probably does affect the everything’s free culture in a bigger but less easily measured way.

I’ve never really discussed health care with the Finnish relations, they’d probably wonder why I’m talking about it which says a lot.

[rdjohn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

In terms of spending per capita then its the US by a very long way at $11, 072, UK is 17th at $4,653.

I live in France 12th at $5,373 and the way it is organised seems far superior to the UK. Angers head of Maine et Loire with just over 1,000,000 population has a good university hospital. A specialist centre for cancer treatments, plus a medical village that has self-contained units doing routine operations like Cataracts, Hip/knee replacements, heart bypass etc.

During the 16-years I have lived there, the local hospital has deteriorated and the number of GPs and dentists have reduced. Young professionals want to live in the city where the juicy jobs are

[Murph7355]

anonymous said:

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I agree with this too.

Have said it before - government of the day gets elected on what they would allocate to the NHS budget-wise. The budget gets handed over to the cross-party committee, also to include medical professionals, and that is the end of their input on it. The committee work within the confines of the budget they have and make the difficult choices therein.

[Murph7355]

anonymous said:

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The problem is, most people don't mean it.

"Mustn't grumble"....but most do anyway. A lot. On an increasing basis. About what they don't have that others have, about how everything is everyone else's fault etc.

This has been "a thing" for decades. And it just gest worse.

Social media just gives more outlets for more people to grumble. But it started well before Zuckerberg stole someone else's idea.

Maybe WWII kicked the sort of spirit you refer to out of us on a national level. It still exists in some. But nowhere near enough.

[CrutyRammers]

rdjohn said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

In terms of spending per capita then its the US by a very long way at $11, 072, UK is 17th at $4,653.

I live in France 12th at $5,373 and the way it is organised seems far superior to the UK. Angers head of Maine et Loire with just over 1,000,000 population has a good university hospital. A specialist centre for cancer treatments, plus a medical village that has self-contained units doing routine operations like Cataracts, Hip/knee replacements, heart bypass etc.

During the 16-years I have lived there, the local hospital has deteriorated and the number of GPs and dentists have reduced. Young professionals want to live in the city where the juicy jobs are

France's system is usually considered very good, and my experiences mirror that. It just doesn't get mentioned here because, well, we can't have the French being better than us, I suppose. Particularly not better than the sainted NHS.

[StevieBee]

I have direct family experience of the Swedish healthcare system - widely assumed to be amongst the best. My BiL moved there 20 years ago and developed Leukemia from which he sadly never recovered from. His son, also developed it (aged 10) but thankfully for him has now recovered.

From what we saw and experienced, I would say it was no better or worse than the NHS. The hospitals were 'nicer', the parking cheaper and the food in the canteen better but the stuff that really mattered, you'd find it difficult to see any meaningful difference both in primary or secondary scenarios.

[coppernorks]

Bed availability in all hospital departments and GPs per head of population
is a good sign of the health of a Health Service.

UK is well down the list, Austria has 5.24 GPs per 1000 people, the UK has only 2.84.

Russia has 8.05 beds per 1000 people , UK has 2.54, although most EU countries/Canada,
USA are in the 2.2 to 3 range.

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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Isn't that what democracy is all about though? If the majority want to keep funding the NHS and keep it inefficient (whether they have the right information or not) then that is what should happen in a democracy.

Or am I mistaking democracy for majority rule or something else?

[paulrockliffe]

s1962a said:

anonymous said:

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Isn't that what democracy is all about though? If the majority want to keep funding the NHS and keep it inefficient (whether they have the right information or not) then that is what should happen in a democracy.

Or am I mistaking democracy for majority rule or something else?

We now need a different type of democracy because one bit of the democracy has spent my entire lifetime telling lies about the NHS and what another part of the democracy has done to it that the system is broken and politics cannot fix it.

[egor110]

s1962a said:

If you got the money surely it has to to be the US?

Yet everyone I've spoken to who's American say's we don't realise how lucky we are having the nhs.

[DeltonaS]

StevieBee said:

I have direct family experience of the Swedish healthcare system - widely assumed to be amongst the best. My BiL moved there 20 years ago and developed Leukemia from which he sadly never recovered from. His son, also developed it (aged 10) but thankfully for him has now recovered.

From what we saw and experienced, I would say it was no better or worse than the NHS. The hospitals were 'nicer', the parking cheaper and the food in the canteen better but the stuff that really mattered, you'd find it difficult to see any meaningful difference both in primary or secondary scenarios.

Reminded me of an article I've read a couple of months ago:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/19/un...

[s1962a]

egor110 said:

s1962a said:

If you got the money surely it has to to be the US?

Yet everyone I've spoken to who's American say's we don't realise how lucky we are having the nhs.

I think it comes down to money and insurance. I remember talking to one of my colleagues from over there about her experiences giving birth - she has insurance the company provides. They get almost VIP treatment whilst giving birth with their own room and doctors on hand and being fussed over, and they don't get ushered home as soon as given the all clear after the birth (usually the same day). Contrast that to the experience we had through the NHS and it's remarkable.

[vetrof]

egor110 said:

s1962a said:

If you got the money surely it has to to be the US?

Yet everyone I've spoken to who's American say's we don't realise how lucky we are having the nhs.

Did you miss the first 5 words of his reply?

I wonder how many of those Americans you have spoken to have been patients in both systems. If the experiences of both were of similar quality would the comments be driven by the cost component?