E-Cigarettes to become available on NHS Prescription

E-Cigarettes to become available on NHS Prescription

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rjfp1962

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8,226 posts

78 months

Thursday 28th October 2021
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This is headlining in a number of newspapers in their Friday the 29th October editions.

The reason being, is that Health Secretary Sajid Javid believes it will encourage more people to quit smoking....!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10142683/...


Edited by rjfp1962 on Friday 29th October 00:30

otolith

58,286 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th October 2021
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Sounds like a reasonable harm reduction strategy, though they need to timebox it so that people pay for their own vapes once they quit fags.

gregs656

11,197 posts

186 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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otolith said:
Sounds like a reasonable harm reduction strategy, though they need to timebox it so that people pay for their own vapes once they quit fags.
Yeah, like gum or patches or what ever. Seems sensible to me.

Donbot

4,110 posts

132 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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If people can afford to smoke they can easily afford to vape.

One of the commenters on the article said that this is likely the first step to more control and tax hikes. It wouldn't surprise me, it must keep government awake at night knowing all that potential revenue isn't coming in.

Edited by Donbot on Friday 29th October 07:37

pavarotti1980

5,321 posts

89 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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Why would the government want people to stop smoking? Its a massive earner for them in taxation. Same as ICE vehicles in fuel duty

Its merely a token effort to appear they are doing something but dont really want to put too much effort in

272BHP

5,604 posts

241 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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This proposed policy makes me angry. We are constantly told the NHS is lacking funds and then we get this kind of mission creep.

If you build it they will come. Are we going to get another million people vaping because of this policy?

bodhi

11,288 posts

234 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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Seems entirely sensible to me. The "if you can afford to smoke" argument is a bit silly, as if you can afford to smoke you can also afford Nicotine patches and all the other various reasonably ineffectual ways of quitting that are available on the NHS - why not add one which is likely to be more effective? Vaping is already all over the NHS Quit Smoking website, so it seems sensible to follow that up with vape prescriptions.

Of course they'll have to be approved by the regulator, and the only companies who will be able to do that will be the "big" guys - i.e the tobacco companies, so we could have the amusement of having a prescription fulfilled my Philip Morris, but otherwise I don't really see the issue.

Donbot

4,110 posts

132 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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bodhi said:
Seems entirely sensible to me. The "if you can afford to smoke" argument is a bit silly, as if you can afford to smoke you can also afford Nicotine patches and all the other various reasonably ineffectual ways of quitting that are available on the NHS - why not add one which is likely to be more effective? Vaping is already all over the NHS Quit Smoking website, so it seems sensible to follow that up with vape prescriptions.

Of course they'll have to be approved by the regulator, and the only companies who will be able to do that will be the "big" guys - i.e the tobacco companies, so we could have the amusement of having a prescription fulfilled my Philip Morris, but otherwise I don't really see the issue.
I think all those other ineffective treatments should go as well.

Unless they want to give me a prescription for real ale as a harm reduction method, as supermarket larger is more harmful . . .

Brainpox

4,091 posts

156 months

Friday 29th October 2021
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272BHP said:
This proposed policy makes me angry. We are constantly told the NHS is lacking funds and then we get this kind of mission creep.

If you build it they will come. Are we going to get another million people vaping because of this policy?
It is playing the long game. If you get a load of people off cigarettes now there will be fewer lung cancers and COPD patients to treat in the future. Treating cancer is more expensive than distributing vapes so it should save a lot of money, eventually. I assume patients won't get to choose what fancy flavour they want and there would be a programme where the nicotine content goes down over time. The NHS wants to promote healthy choices, prevent problems, and keep people out of hospitals, and this idea aligns with that philosophy.

I'm sure the way it's implemented will be wasteful and will probably be cut again within five years. There is logic in it though.

Riley Blue

21,451 posts

231 months

Saturday 30th October 2021
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Prevention is better (and cheaper) than cure, hence why patients are prescribed daily medication such as aspirin and statins.

Each year 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking with tens of thousands more having with smoking related illnesses, all of it preventable.

A major UK clinical trial published in 2019 found that, when combined with expert face-to-face support, people who used e-cigarettes to quit smoking were twice as likely to succeed as people who used other nicotine replacement products, such as patches or gum.

Source: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-...

272BHP

5,604 posts

241 months

Saturday 30th October 2021
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It is great that people will potentially be kept alive for longer but it wont save money.

Sure the smoker that would have got treated for lung cancer and eventually died at 65 is expensive. Keep the same person alive for another 15 years and they will still eventually succumb to some expensive disease with lung cancer being one of them - arguably this will cost more long term.

Individual responsibility and accountability must come into the equation surely - are funds better served elsewhere?

Riley Blue

21,451 posts

231 months

Saturday 30th October 2021
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I should have written 'potentially cheaper'.

There's a massive task ahead to persuade people to take responsibility for their own health and not to regard the NHS as a free repair kit for their unhealthy life style choices.




rjfp1962

Original Poster:

8,226 posts

78 months

Saturday 30th October 2021
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Riley Blue said:
I should have written 'potentially cheaper'.

There's a massive task ahead to persuade people to take responsibility for their own health and not to regard the NHS as a free repair kit for their unhealthy life style choices.
Is hardly free is it? If a smoker has smoked for years just think of the tax they've paid....! Probably paid thir dues a few times over when they finally need the NHS and a hospital.......!

Riley Blue

21,451 posts

231 months

Saturday 30th October 2021
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rjfp1962 said:
Riley Blue said:
I should have written 'potentially cheaper'.

There's a massive task ahead to persuade people to take responsibility for their own health and not to regard the NHS as a free repair kit for their unhealthy life style choices.
Is hardly free is it? If a smoker has smoked for years just think of the tax they've paid....! Probably paid thir dues a few times over when they finally need the NHS and a hospital.......!
I'm not just thinking of smokers nor those who pay a percentage of their earned income as taxes.