Countries that are antivax/provax

[irocfan]

Reading about the stshow that appears to be the vaccine roll in the EU it was commented that France is generally an antivax country compared to be UK which is (appears to be) more provax.

Why is there such a marked difference between the 2 countries? Both have good standards of healthcare, good standards of education and are affluent Western democracies.

Edited by irocfan on Friday 23 April 15:45

[BurtonLazars]

irocfan said:

France is generally an antifa country compared to be UK which is (appears to be) more provax.
Why is there such a marked difference between the 2 countries?

Because fascists and vaccines are two different things?

[irocfan]

BurtonLazars said:

irocfan said:

France is generally an antifa country compared to be UK which is (appears to be) more provax.
Why is there such a marked difference between the 2 countries?

Because fascists and vaccines are two different things?

Poxy spellcorrect! Thanks

[Scrump]

If vaccines came as suppositories then there would be a much higher uptake by the French.

[Mammasaid]

irocfan said:

Poxy spellcorrect! Thanks

Methinks thou doest protest too much!

[anonymous-user]

According to a mate in Nigeria, there are fake vaccines doing the rounds imported from china being flogged to people which have caused deaths which isnt helping, combined with a general antivax sentiment that western pharma want to kill them and African genes are strong enough to fight off the rona.

How do you combat people getting their health information from social media and not peer reviewed clinical journals?

[irocfan]

Vandenberg said:

According to a mate in Nigeria, there are fake vaccines doing the rounds imported from china being flogged to people which have caused deaths which isnt helping, combined with a general antivax sentiment that western pharma want to kill them and African genes are strong enough to fight off the rona.

How do you combat people getting their health information from social media and not peer reviewed clinical journals?

The thing is, to a point, I can understand a degree of African reticence. But French (and, to a lesser degree, German)?

[MercedesClassic]

This has bemused me too. I have an ex colleague in Germany who used to live in UK 20 years ago but has returned and is married with teenage kids. Intelligent, middle class etc etc. Very liberal in outlook, was a rock chick and pretty easy going.
From last summer she has been sending me links to the anti lockdown protests and the anti vax rallies that were going on even then. Robert Kennedy Jr was the main speaker at a 45min rally she sent me. I watched 2 mins not knowing what it was about and then turned off as it was pure nonsense. The rally had 1000000s at it all crushed together no masks etc. Why bother as it's just a fake flu or something or fake news or something....

There wasn't anything obviously comparable here. They are very anti government etc at the mo.
I was quite shocked and said I thought the Germans were obedient and compliant to following orders especially fact based. She replied that I obviously didn't know Germans too well to think that.

More recently I've found out she's anti vax and so are her circle of yummy mummy's and won't be getting it until the long term effects are known.
I sent her a link to this article and she confirmed her and her circle are supporters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56675874

I'm quite dismayed by this but maybe they are right and we are wrong?

[Teddy Lop]

MercedesClassic said:

This has bemused me too. I have an ex colleague in Germany who used to live in UK 20 years ago but has returned and is married with teenage kids. Intelligent, middle class etc etc. Very liberal in outlook, was a rock chick and pretty easy going.
From last summer she has been sending me links to the anti lockdown protests and the anti vax rallies that were going on even then. Robert Kennedy Jr was the main speaker at a 45min rally she sent me. I watched 2 mins not knowing what it was about and then turned off as it was pure nonsense. The rally had 1000000s at it all crushed together no masks etc. Why bother as it's just a fake flu or something or fake news or something....

There wasn't anything obviously comparable here. They are very anti government etc at the mo.
I was quite shocked and said I thought the Germans were obedient and compliant to following orders especially fact based. She replied that I obviously didn't know Germans too well to think that.

More recently I've found out she's anti vax and so are her circle of yummy mummy's and won't be getting it until the long term effects are known.
I sent her a link to this article and she confirmed her and her circle are supporters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56675874

I'm quite dismayed by this but maybe they are right and we are wrong?

to question if they're maybe right begs the question where are they getting their info from, as in, what is the evidence for it? All I see is rumors... There's more tangible brain food for faked moon landings, at least they can point to things like wavy flags or missing crosshairs etc etc

The amount of conspiracy theory going on is off the scale - normally I'm someone on the fringes between the mass of people who reject "conspiracy theories" for their own safety/comfort, and the nutters, so it feels quite weird for me to be the one looking at so many people with side eye.

[MercedesClassic]

Teddy Lop said:

MercedesClassic said:

This has bemused me too. I have an ex colleague in Germany who used to live in UK 20 years ago but has returned and is married with teenage kids. Intelligent, middle class etc etc. Very liberal in outlook, was a rock chick and pretty easy going.
From last summer she has been sending me links to the anti lockdown protests and the anti vax rallies that were going on even then. Robert Kennedy Jr was the main speaker at a 45min rally she sent me. I watched 2 mins not knowing what it was about and then turned off as it was pure nonsense. The rally had 1000000s at it all crushed together no masks etc. Why bother as it's just a fake flu or something or fake news or something....

There wasn't anything obviously comparable here. They are very anti government etc at the mo.
I was quite shocked and said I thought the Germans were obedient and compliant to following orders especially fact based. She replied that I obviously didn't know Germans too well to think that.

More recently I've found out she's anti vax and so are her circle of yummy mummy's and won't be getting it until the long term effects are known.
I sent her a link to this article and she confirmed her and her circle are supporters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56675874

I'm quite dismayed by this but maybe they are right and we are wrong?

to question if they're maybe right begs the question where are they getting their info from, as in, what is the evidence for it? All I see is rumors... There's more tangible brain food for faked moon landings, at least they can point to things like wavy flags or missing crosshairs etc etc

The amount of conspiracy theory going on is off the scale - normally I'm someone on the fringes between the mass of people who reject "conspiracy theories" for their own safety/comfort, and the nutters, so it feels quite weird for me to be the one looking at so many people with side eye.

I am in agreement with you.

[sutoka]

Scrump said:

If vaccines came as suppositories then there would be a much higher uptake by the French.

According to a French colleague all Gallic ladies insist on taking delivery up the back passage.

[irocfan]

sutoka said:

Scrump said:

If vaccines came as suppositories then there would be a much higher uptake by the French.

According to a French colleague all Gallic ladies insist on taking delivery up the back passage.

Vive La France!

[RDMcG]

In the US it is political and racial. Huge difference between GOP and Dems. Republicans are about suspicion of government and “personal freedom” and there is much more suspicion of science. For many visible minorities there is also great suspicion of government and a much lower uptake in vaccination.