Covid Vaccinations - are they really effective as they say?

Covid Vaccinations - are they really effective as they say?

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Candellara

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1,886 posts

187 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Now i was rather hoping that the claims of 90% + effectiveness were true but, my Mothers partner had his jab (he was one of the very first over 80's) but is currently very poorly in QA Hospital, Portsmouth with Covid.

He developed pneumonia a couple of weeks ago and tested negative for Covid. He subsequently ended up in hospital - again, testing negative for Covid on arrival, but after a week in hospital and despite the Covid vaccination in early January - he's now extremely poorly and has now tested positive for Covid.

Hospital has said to expect the worst. No visitors allowed and he can't speak on the phone due to infection.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

175 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Considering the vaccine is a two part to supposedly be fully effective, who knows.


RB Will

9,827 posts

245 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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90% effective would still mean that of the 15m or so vaccinated so far, over 1.5m might still get it anyway. Unfortunately your old chap is one of those frown

amgmcqueen

3,429 posts

155 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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16 million vaccines later and we're still under house arrest.......what does that tell you.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

175 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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amgmcqueen said:
16 million vaccines later and we're still under house arrest.......what does that tell you.
That’s it’s only a small percentage of the population done so far.


Mammasaid

4,180 posts

102 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Candellara said:
He developed pneumonia a couple of weeks ago and tested negative for Covid.
Best wishes to mother's father, however isn't the fact that he has pneumonia the underlying reason why he's very ill?

Pneumonia in the over 80s it quite often fatal in itself.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC46128...

Study said:
Severe pneumonia in the elderly is difficult to treat commonly in pneumology department and often involves in multiple organs. It is serious, has a rapid progression and the mortality is high.

anonymous-user

59 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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cymatty said:
Those confidence intervals are entertaining, I can't imagine the vaccine being -209% effective. It's just an artefact of the small number of cases in the study I'd guess. laugh

Although I do remember the media using the uppermost confidence intervals when declaring the increased transmissibility of certain variants.



Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th February 14:07


Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th February 14:16

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

113 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfizer-vaccine...

Extract:

A new COVID vaccine efficacy study from Israel has concluded that Pfizer/BioNTech's jab is up to 85% effective after the first dose.

The research, conducted by the Sheba Medical Centre, the country's largest hospital, has been published in the Lancet medical journal.

The hospital assessed the effectiveness of the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine among 7,000 of its healthcare employees.

Candellara

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1,886 posts

187 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Mammasaid said:
He was recovering well from pneumonia, on the mend and moved to a general ward. We all thought that as he'd had the vaccination he managed to dodge that bullet. Then he contracted COVID and this has created a secondary infection apparently which is very serious. Didn't realise that the transmission of Covid was so rife within what is supposed to be a pretty sterile environment?

rossub

4,738 posts

195 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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My 97 year old Grandfather had his jab 3 weeks before being admitted to hospital with Kidney failure.

Turns out he had COVID too, but no symptoms.

Isn’t that the point of the vaccine? You might still get it, but the chances of it being severe enough to be hospitalised are slim.

Mastodon2

13,888 posts

170 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Candellara said:
He was recovering well from pneumonia, on the mend and moved to a general ward. We all thought that as he'd had the vaccination he managed to dodge that bullet. Then he contracted COVID and this has created a secondary infection apparently which is very serious. Didn't realise that the transmission of Covid was so rife within what is supposed to be a pretty sterile environment?
It's an airborne pathogen, people are constantly exhaling more of the virus into the air. Also, hospitals aren't "pretty sterile" or even close to it. They sanitise their infrastructure to a degree, but they can't really clean the air and that is where the vast majority of infections come from.

rossub

4,738 posts

195 months

Friday 19th February 2021
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Mastodon2 said:
It's an airborne pathogen, people are constantly exhaling more of the virus into the air. Also, hospitals aren't "pretty sterile" or even close to it. They sanitise their infrastructure to a degree, but they can't really clean the air and that is where the vast majority of infections come from.
Indeed. Only single rooms with positive pressure ventilation offer a degree of sterile atmosphere.

These are the kind of places they keep Immunosuppressed people in hospital, like chemotherapy patients.

ThumperMc

5,037 posts

191 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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amgmcqueen said:
16 million vaccines later and we're still under house arrest.......what does that tell you.
What does it tell you.

Please do share.

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

113 months

Saturday 20th February 2021
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