COVID Vaccine available if you pay ?
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Just wondering if anyone has read anything on whether businesses can buy the vaccine for its employees ? I fully understand that key workers; health, police, firefolk etc should be among the first to receive the vaccine but was wondering if ‘key workers’ in other employment like flying, hospitality, manufacturing (in other words, where working from home isn’t an option) etc etc can get the vaccine through their employers. Business continuity in these type of industries will be severely impacted if employees are perpetually self-isolating every time a case at work comes to light.
TCX said:
How would the current vaccines help prevent self isolating?
If they reduce the sickness impact on the individual but don't affect transmission,how about employees who choose not to take it?
My understanding is self-isolation is for those who are showing symptoms of COVID or if in close proximity to someone who later tests positive. You won’t get COVID if vaccinated (bar a few cases I’m sure) and if you come into contact with someone infected you are protected. Cant find anything about post vaccination issues on the interweb so happy learn new info.If they reduce the sickness impact on the individual but don't affect transmission,how about employees who choose not to take it?
anonymous said:
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Got any brown sauce for this?Interested to know if there are actually 1000s of clinically trained people sitting at home fingering themselves whilst we get battered by "There aren't enough NHS staff" hyperbole. Surely they would all be working bank?
If the private healthcare system is actually at a standstill twiddling its thumbs whilst the public healthcare system is on its arse, this would surely be a big story no?
Alex_6n2 said:
Got any brown sauce for this?
Interested to know if there are actually 1000s of clinically trained people sitting at home fingering themselves whilst we get battered by "There aren't enough NHS staff" hyperbole. Surely they would all be working bank?
If the private healthcare system is actually at a standstill twiddling its thumbs whilst the public healthcare system is on its arse, this would surely be a big story no?
I like your retort. I too am a fan of a fact based conversation. I highly doubt that there are loads of health professionals just sitting at home not working at this time. Interested to know if there are actually 1000s of clinically trained people sitting at home fingering themselves whilst we get battered by "There aren't enough NHS staff" hyperbole. Surely they would all be working bank?
If the private healthcare system is actually at a standstill twiddling its thumbs whilst the public healthcare system is on its arse, this would surely be a big story no?
anonymous said:
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Cool. I'm definitely convinced. You're referring to the summer there though, not now during our winter of despair?
I agree things were not managed well during the summer and the giant middle management organisation that is the NHS has its problems, but I don't see trained private sector critical care staff in London being left to sit at home bored right now? No matter how stupid NHS leadership is.
Edited by Alex_6n2 on Friday 1st January 16:21
To answer the original question Matt Hancock has said the vaccine will not be available for people to pay for, it will be distributed by the NHS.
I do wonder though come mid summer if they have gotten through everyone over 50 will they then decide every pharmacy can gtive it out like a flu jab for a fee to anyone left. I have not basis for that other than the musings in my own head which are worth the sum total of naff all
I do wonder though come mid summer if they have gotten through everyone over 50 will they then decide every pharmacy can gtive it out like a flu jab for a fee to anyone left. I have not basis for that other than the musings in my own head which are worth the sum total of naff all
WokkaWokka said:
I like your retort. I too am a fan of a fact based conversation. I highly doubt that there are loads of health professionals just sitting at home not working at this time.
You,d be surprised. The NHS wants retired GPs to have diversity training before employing them as vaccinators.anonymous said:
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Not surprised the contract was piss poor, this is Government after all. Similarly not surprised Bojo's mate from next door at PWC managed the audit team and charged out graduate auditors for a day rate over 5K. All business as usual for any Government. Doing it properly is hard work, why would they want to do that?Interesting insight though, thanks for that. Must be frustrating to have bureaucracy, red tape and overt middle management interfere with what I assume were efficient organisations previously.
There is a whiff of "make everything seem very bad so the electorate won't object to extra tax "because NHS"", but everyone who puts out stats either way has some form of agenda so it's hard to fathom what is real.
As a layman thinking logically who has seen critical care staff speak out that they're short of people in the South East, I struggle to understand that trained private sector staff who could help are being left at home to do nothing. Or is it REALLY that bad? Equally we hear about the NHS falling over every winter so who knows?!
I'm sat here being bombarded by the press that everyone is dieing because I had Christmas dinner and the NHS has no staff, mass hysteria is back up again and it's all very irritating.
V41LEY said:
TCX said:
How would the current vaccines help prevent self isolating?
If they reduce the sickness impact on the individual but don't affect transmission,how about employees who choose not to take it?
My understanding is self-isolation is for those who are showing symptoms of COVID or if in close proximity to someone who later tests positive. You won’t get COVID if vaccinated (bar a few cases I’m sure) and if you come into contact with someone infected you are protected. Cant find anything about post vaccination issues on the interweb so happy learn new info.If they reduce the sickness impact on the individual but don't affect transmission,how about employees who choose not to take it?
Thanks to the answer to my original question.
I’m intrigued by further comments from people who are in the medical world.
Are you saying that there are hundreds of clinicians from the private sector sat at home twiddling their thumbs because or is non-COVID work now being pushed their way ?
Or does it vary region by region ?
Surely if this is true it should be a major scandal / story when we are being told of the pressures within the NHS.
One anecdote I was told recently by a retired surgeon was that the success in creating the Nightingales in 3 days was that no one from the management of any NHS trust was involved. He said herding cats was easier that trying to manage a business which effectively has over 1m employees.
I’m intrigued by further comments from people who are in the medical world.
Are you saying that there are hundreds of clinicians from the private sector sat at home twiddling their thumbs because or is non-COVID work now being pushed their way ?
Or does it vary region by region ?
Surely if this is true it should be a major scandal / story when we are being told of the pressures within the NHS.
One anecdote I was told recently by a retired surgeon was that the success in creating the Nightingales in 3 days was that no one from the management of any NHS trust was involved. He said herding cats was easier that trying to manage a business which effectively has over 1m employees.
Monty Python said:
Ditto. Heard about this yesterday. You couldn't make it up.Hoofy said:
Monty Python said:
Ditto. Heard about this yesterday. You couldn't make it up.When I take over, the Woke Prickery had better head for the hills, pretty damn' quickly.
mybrainhurts said:
Hoofy said:
Monty Python said:
Ditto. Heard about this yesterday. You couldn't make it up.When I take over, the Woke Prickery had better head for the hills, pretty damn' quickly.
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