Vaccines / Anti-vaccination
Discussion
Reading more and more in the news about the anti-vaccination craze that’s sweeping the US. Personally I think they are crackers. Research has proved time and time again their effectiveness. I was wondering whether we are likely to see the craze reach the UK.
What’s people’s thoughts on vaccines over this side of the pond? Hopefully won’t be too many anti-vaxers....
What’s people’s thoughts on vaccines over this side of the pond? Hopefully won’t be too many anti-vaxers....
Yell_M3 said:
My sister in law is a GP and her neighbour are anti-vax. She's getting annoyed at them always coming round asking for her advice as they are always ill!
Haha. Fail. I don’t mind people being anti-vaxxers as its a perfect example of Darwinism at work. What I don’t like to see is parents failing to immunise their kids. It’s putting their (frankly misguided) beliefs onto their kids.
JapanRed said:
Yell_M3 said:
My sister in law is a GP and her neighbour are anti-vax. She's getting annoyed at them always coming round asking for her advice as they are always ill!
Haha. Fail. I don’t mind people being anti-vaxxers as its a perfect example of Darwinism at work. What I don’t like to see is parents failing to immunise their kids. It’s putting their (frankly misguided) beliefs onto their kids.
heads to others.There is a thread on NP&E about this and there are a couple of anti-vaccination people on there.
I think it is breathtakingly idiotic, and tragic if the children of these people become ill.
The anti-science ideology that anti-vaccination movement comes from appears to be growing and becoming more dangerous. There is currently a big movement to say all opinions are equal, coupled with a general distrust of the media and politicians.
I think it is breathtakingly idiotic, and tragic if the children of these people become ill.
The anti-science ideology that anti-vaccination movement comes from appears to be growing and becoming more dangerous. There is currently a big movement to say all opinions are equal, coupled with a general distrust of the media and politicians.
Anti vaxers are on the same level as flat earthers. There is literally no actual evidence to support their claims and plenty to counter it. They are among the worse for confirmation bias, for example, the ingredients list. "They contain mercury and formaldehyde, they are poisons, ergo vaccines are poisonous" - conveniently ignoring the fact that some vaccines contain a Mecurcy based substance but in quantities far lower than you find a tin of tuna. Formaldehyde exists in your body in far greater concentrations than found in the vaccines and is essential for metabolism.
Just bonkers.
Just bonkers.
tybo said:
I don’t believe in the germ theory of disease, so therefore see vaccinations as elaborate and unnecessary scam.
OK, I’ll bite.... please explain that if one person gets measles, another in close proximity and with no vaccination or immunity is more likely to contract it then someone vaccinated or immune... coincidence?JapanRed said:
Reading more and more in the news about the anti-vaccination craze that’s sweeping the US. ...
There's an article on the BBC today about a woman who suffered from whooping cough and lockjaw because her mum refused to let her have injections.To be honest the mother sounded mentally ill; When the school accidentally injected the girl with the measles vaccine her mother took her out of school and moved away from the area. The girl had a childhood illness, the mother said the tablets would make her grow hairs out of her face and hands and when it had been tested on dogs, most of the dogs died.
Practically child abuse. Vaccines and anti-biotics have been the inventions that have kept us alive and prevented painful miserable death and illness more than anything I reckon.
abzmike said:
OK, I’ll bite.... please explain that if one person gets measles, another in close proximity and with no vaccination or immunity is more likely to contract it then someone vaccinated or immune... coincidence?
More likely to contract it?How do we test that, though?
What if someone is not immune and not vaccinated, but still doesn’t contract it, what then is the explanation?
I think diseases appear to be contagious because we believe they are. All research into psychosomatic illnesses confirms the fact that we can, and do develop physical symptoms through purely psychological means. We appear able to develop all sorts of completely incapacitating conditions through different kinds of trauma.
I don’t believe the body makes mistakes. And I don’t believe we are constantly bombarded by outside germs and viruses. Modern preventative medicine is less than 200 years old. If the body was not able to heal itself, how on Earth did we survive?
I believe illness and disease is a purely internal issue. A psychological conflict sets a biological self-protection process in motion. The body automatically sets about putting things right through either cell proliferation or cell loss. If the psychological conflict/conflicts persist, so do the “symptoms”. If they persist for long enough, or are interfered with in the wrong way, we deteriorate or die.
The symptoms are signs of the body healing itself, but those same symptoms are what we call disease...then treat as such. Effectively, we pit the body against itself by taking measures to reduce and treat the symptoms.
These are the rules I live by, at least...
tybo said:
Modern preventative medicine is less than 200 years old. If the body was not able to heal itself, how on Earth did we survive?
Simple answer is we didn’t survive... at least not for as long. Life expectancy now is significantly higher than 200 years ago. Likewise infant mortality, ability to treat infections, etc etc.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff