Fake a heart attack??

[dingg]

is it possible to fake a heart attack and convince an ecg that its a genuine one?

I guess it is myself but would need chemical(drug) assistance


probably a question for any medical professionals

feel free to move to health matters if need be

cheers

[essexplumber]

Have you just taken out a large life insurance policy?

[Jasandjules]

I believe there are drugs out there which can do so yes (but I think they are rather dangerous to use, not surprisingly).

[soad]

I'll take a guess and say yes.

[anonymous-user]

don't the use mandrake or deadly nightshade to produce some sort of heart issue.

the do blood test for heart attacks, tio check the levels of some cells that are produced, so you have to trick a egr and a blood test.

[GTIR]

I'll take a guess and say no.

[Melvin Udall]

Well, they can tell a hell of a lot from the ECG reading. I would suggest that faking a heart attack symptom, wou
D be easy, but getting down to the nitty gritty signs would be difficult.

[Kiltox]

Melvin Udall said:

Well, they can tell a hell of a lot from the ECG reading

This - aparrently a person's ECG reading is unique to them too and can be used as a biometric quantity like a fingerprint - I didn't know that until recently.

[RemainAllHoof]

Kiltox said:

This - aparrently a person's ECG reading is unique to them too and can be used as a biometric quantity like a fingerprint - I didn't know that until recently.

Wow. Cool! I didn't know that until even more recently... like about 30 seconds ago.

[Kiltox]

RemainAllHoof said:

Wow. Cool! I didn't know that until even more recently... like about 30 seconds ago.

It's currently being researched anyway - someone on my course at Uni is studying it as their final year project.

[goldblum]

How can you fake a stopped heart?...if the brain doesn't get oxygen because there's no blood supply you're in trouble,so you can't fake that.

Or d'you mean minor (!) myocardial infarction,when only part of the heart doesn't receive any blood?

It's possible if you said you felt nauseous,chest felt tight,you were in pain etc..

Just read the title properly,'can you fool an ecg?'

I think no.

Edited by goldblum on Saturday 29th October 13:17

[KardioKate]

It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it

[jamoor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrWSx46NlI4

[dingg]

KardioKate said:

It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it

I guess you will be the one with the best answer due to your username sooooooo


is a very small fake attack possible - say someone says he's just not feeling 100% with tight chest & indigestion - medic without ecg available bangs a load of clot buster in at first opportunity .Would said patient with the correct drug be able to convince doc he'd suffered a genuine minor attack?


tia

[KardioKate]

dingg said:

I guess you will be the one with the best answer due to your username sooooooo


is a very small fake attack possible - say someone says he's just not feeling 100% with tight chest & indigestion - medic without ecg available bangs a load of clot buster in at first opportunity .Would said patient with the correct drug be able to convince doc he'd suffered a genuine minor attack?


tia

I can't actually say, but in my opinion as a layman, I suspect not.

[Kiltox]

Why, anyway?

[goldblum]

KardioKate said:

It certainly is possible to fool the machine. I regularly see printouts with "possible...this that and everything else" on them.

You just won't be able to fool the Doctor interpreting it

But that's the machine making a mistake/misreading.

D'you think someone can set out to deliberately fool one?

I suppose you could insert a small electrical device into your chest...

[Rawwr]

Eat a 24oz fillet steak, drink 5 litres of Red Bull with espresso chasers and then go for a 5 mile run in a warm jacket.

[Rawwr]

Oh, fake, not induce.

[KardioKate]

goldblum said:

I suppose you could insert a small electrical device into your chest...

Wouldn't the Doctor be able to tell the difference between an Arrhythmia and a heart attack though?