Definitive strength indicator - what exercise?
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I'm sure this one will provoke some interesting debate.
I was pondering this on the walk home from the station tonight (after catching up on the "what training" thread while on the train
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So, my first thoughts were pull / chin ups, (or muscle ups) as they are some of the most simple movements you can do, yet they require real functional strength to perform properly.
I was pondering this on the walk home from the station tonight (after catching up on the "what training" thread while on the train
)So, my first thoughts were pull / chin ups, (or muscle ups) as they are some of the most simple movements you can do, yet they require real functional strength to perform properly.
In what respect? IMO there are no definiative strenght indicators except at a personal level.
For instance I am powerfully built (like 911), but on a bodyweight as a % - I expect shorter guys would trounce me (lift more as a percentage).
For for amounts there a guys much larger than me who could lift significantly more.
So. What you need is the triathlon equivalent incorporating % body mass against weight lifted
For instance I am powerfully built (like 911), but on a bodyweight as a % - I expect shorter guys would trounce me (lift more as a percentage).
For for amounts there a guys much larger than me who could lift significantly more.
So. What you need is the triathlon equivalent incorporating % body mass against weight lifted
Yeah but then they're too weak to do campus boarding and would be beaten by a girl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvcdJt9mM4U
Only a beast could do a front lever pull up, for instance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFicccDgjUI
It's like the old "how fit are you?" question, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvcdJt9mM4U
Only a beast could do a front lever pull up, for instance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFicccDgjUI
It's like the old "how fit are you?" question, really.
RemainAllHoof said:
Yeah but then they're too weak to do campus boarding and would be beaten by a girl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvcdJt9mM4U
Only a beast could do a front lever pull up, for instance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFicccDgjUI
It's like the old "how fit are you?" question, really.
I Imagine I could do these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvcdJt9mM4U
Only a beast could do a front lever pull up, for instance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFicccDgjUI
It's like the old "how fit are you?" question, really.
Used to climb alot, had my own campus board- though it's been a while now....didelydoo said:
I Imagine I could do these Used to climb alot, had my own campus board- though it's been a while now....
Ah... but if you're really muscley nowadays, you'll probably struggle if you haven't been working the fingers much compared to the amount you now weigh. I wouldn't recommend trying just to prove a point as you could pop a ligament. Used to climb alot, had my own campus board- though it's been a while now....If you can do a front lever, I demand the custard test!!
ApexJimi said:
... (or muscle ups) as they are some of the most simple movements you can do, ...
Apologies for chopping you up... Have you ever done muscle-ups?
They are neither simple nor easy. If you have sufficient strength, there is then a great deal of technique involved.
If we're to use them as a measure of strength, I am a kitten.
RemainAllHoof said:
Ah... but if you're really muscley nowadays, you'll probably struggle if you haven't been working the fingers much compared to the amount you now weigh. I wouldn't recommend trying just to prove a point as you could pop a ligament.
If you can do a front lever, I demand the custard test!!
I popped a ligament last year doing 1 finger (each hand) pullups- won't be making that mistake again! didn't account for an increase in weight.... Grip is better but crimping strength may well not be.If you can do a front lever, I demand the custard test!!
I'll have a go at the front lever pull up on my bar this evening or tommorrow in the gym it doesn't look too bad.... If I can do it i'll put a vid up.
didelydoo said:
I popped a ligament last year doing 1 finger (each hand) pullups- won't be making that mistake again! didn't account for an increase in weight.... Grip is better but crimping strength may well not be.
I'll have a go at the front lever pull up on my bar this evening or tommorrow in the gym it doesn't look too bad.... If I can do it i'll put a vid up.
Hehe Not good! Yeah, I should imagine grip strength is good because you're holding heavy weights but as you know, the ability to crimp is down to ligaments in the fingers as well as the muscles in the forearm.I'll have a go at the front lever pull up on my bar this evening or tommorrow in the gym it doesn't look too bad.... If I can do it i'll put a vid up.
Re front lever, if you've never done it before, I will be surprised if you can (1) get horizontal (2) not pop your back trying. Be careful.
RemainAllHoof said:
didelydoo said:
I Imagine I could do these Used to climb alot, had my own campus board- though it's been a while now....
Ah... but if you're really muscley nowadays, you'll probably struggle if you haven't been working the fingers much compared to the amount you now weigh. I wouldn't recommend trying just to prove a point as you could pop a ligament. Used to climb alot, had my own campus board- though it's been a while now....If you can do a front lever, I demand the custard test!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhE4dIEcyY4
In all seriousness though, his videos show some serious strength. He does things i cant even contemplate. Has anyone ever tried the pull up then push up to lock the arms, like he is doing at approx 50secs. I have, seems impossible!
Can't see the youtube vids, but levers and that other Olympic ring stuff is pretty intense, add to that the three powerlifts and the two Olympic lifts, and the strongman events, and what have you got?
I myself am 911 built but on Saturday night could not beat my mate sat at a bench at a game of mercy. He is a scrawny fella, I have also been beaten by a workmate with the build of a scarecrow in mercy. My mate say's two hours of guitar practise was the reason. he challenged me expecting to win, but it was just a stalemate for several minutes.
I myself am 911 built but on Saturday night could not beat my mate sat at a bench at a game of mercy. He is a scrawny fella, I have also been beaten by a workmate with the build of a scarecrow in mercy. My mate say's two hours of guitar practise was the reason. he challenged me expecting to win, but it was just a stalemate for several minutes.
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