New training Programme - advice pls

[tricky69]

Starting a new training programme.. wanted some advice - thanks

Edited by tricky69 on Wednesday 20th July 21:52

[Ordinary_Chap]

Why arms, shoulders and then whole body? Whats the logic for that?

Also doing legs is very important for losing weight and development. Cycling isn't going to add any muscle to your legs and missing them out is missing out about 50% of your overall training in my view. Training legs will help you gain muscle all over and will stop you becoming unbalanced even if they seem ok now.

I'd keep it simple and do a 4 day split or 3 days split and just train hard with little breaks so you can fit it in. I don't have to worry about time but most of my sessions don't really over 35 minutes (I love doing it HIT style because of the intense workload of not resting a lot).

[tricky69]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Why arms, shoulders and then whole body? Whats the logic for that?

As i said i only have 20 minutes so have to split the session up

Ordinary_Chap said:

Also doing legs is very important for losing weight and development. Cycling isn't going to add any muscle to your legs and missing them out is missing out about 50% of your overall training in my view. Training legs will help you gain muscle all over and will stop you becoming unbalanced even if they seem ok now.

What sort of exercises would you suggest ?

Ordinary_Chap said:

I'd keep it simple and do a 4 day split or 3 days split and just train hard with little breaks so you can fit it in. I don't have to worry about time but most of my sessions don't really over 35 minutes (I love doing it HIT style because of the intense workload of not resting a lot).

yeah that would be ideal, am going to try and do this more on the weekends when i have got my form sorted. But can't do that during the week as i simply don't have time to set everything up as well

[LordGrover]

Getting your resistance exercises right will help and I'm sure there are plenty of more qualified people than me to advise, but getting the diet right is critical for losing fat.

[Ordinary_Chap]

tricky69 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Why arms, shoulders and then whole body? Whats the logic for that?

As i said i only have 20 minutes so have to split the session up

Ordinary_Chap said:

Also doing legs is very important for losing weight and development. Cycling isn't going to add any muscle to your legs and missing them out is missing out about 50% of your overall training in my view. Training legs will help you gain muscle all over and will stop you becoming unbalanced even if they seem ok now.

What sort of exercises would you suggest ?

Ordinary_Chap said:

I'd keep it simple and do a 4 day split or 3 days split and just train hard with little breaks so you can fit it in. I don't have to worry about time but most of my sessions don't really over 35 minutes (I love doing it HIT style because of the intense workload of not resting a lot).

yeah that would be ideal, am going to try and do this more on the weekends when i have got my form sorted. But can't do that during the week as i simply don't have time to set everything up as well

I was curious as you seem to be doing isolation based training and then a whole body session and the two seems to be opposed to each other.

For legs, the squat is a must for me and then other ancillary exercises.

As for time, I know you've got a busy schedule but surely you can make an extra 10-20 mins to get the sessions done? If not then a rethink maybe in order.

[tricky69]

Ordinary_Chap said:

I was curious as you seem to be doing isolation based training and then a whole body session and the two seems to be opposed to each other.

For legs, the squat is a must for me and then other ancillary exercises.

As for time, I know you've got a busy schedule but surely you can make an extra 10-20 mins to get the sessions done? If not then a rethink maybe in order.

Hmm maybe will have to rethink then i guess. Just thought it was a good way to get as much in as possible.

sorry for being dumb but how to you mean the two are opposed to each other ?

Will have to make time to do squats then... time really is the biggest killer for me

[Mojooo]

What about Stringlifts? Its a full body workout I believe and can probably be done in 40 minutes.

Workout 1
Squats 5x5
Bench Press 5x5
Barbell Row 5x5

Workout 2
Squats 5x5
Overhead Press 5x5
Deadlift 1x5

Alternate them every time - do it 3 times a week.

[Ordinary_Chap]

tricky69 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

I was curious as you seem to be doing isolation based training and then a whole body session and the two seems to be opposed to each other.

For legs, the squat is a must for me and then other ancillary exercises.

As for time, I know you've got a busy schedule but surely you can make an extra 10-20 mins to get the sessions done? If not then a rethink maybe in order.

Hmm maybe will have to rethink then i guess. Just thought it was a good way to get as much in as possible.

sorry for being dumb but how to you mean the two are opposed to each other ?

Will have to make time to do squats then... time really is the biggest killer for me

Well typically you'd either do whole body training several times a week or target different muscle groups on different days.

A simple split of 4 times a week could be;

1. legs day
2. Chest/Back day
3. Back/Biceps day
4. Shoulders/abs/calvs

Or something like this so you work all of your muscles once a week, don't be tempted to fall into the foolish trap of just training muscles you like (abs, shoulders and biceps seem to be the favourites). If you do this generally you'll look a bit odd the more you train as you're body will become unbalanced with some good muscles and other muscles undersized until the point you just look all out odd.

Or as above you could do some type of 5x5 program which also seems to work well when starting out.

[tricky69]

on the back and bicep day, what part of the back are you working ? Lower back i guess as you don't mention it on the Abs day ?

[Ordinary_Chap]

tricky69 said:

on the back and bicep day, what part of the back are you working ? Lower back i guess as you don't mention it on the Abs day ?

During the back day the exercises should work both areas of the back and then once you've done that move on to biceps.

The reason back/biceps are done together is they are both pull based exercises so working the back also works the biceps. To be honest my biceps are heavily worked out before I even get to the bicep training.

Your abs shouldn't even need a lot of work if you're doing other exercises like squats, deadlifts etc.

[tricky69]

The thing is most of the time i am thinking about touching myself and was wondering what you all think the best thing to do is?

I am very BIG in the city ..

what oil would you all suggest for an overall "workout" ..

anyopne wanna meet up for a protein shake ?

[Ordinary_Chap]

tricky69 said:

The thing is most of the time i am thinking about touching myself and was wondering what you all think the best thing to do is?

I am very BIG in the city ..

what oil would you all suggest for an overall "workout" ..

anyopne wanna meet up for a protein shake ?

Oh err missus!

[Lost_BMW]

tricky69 said:

The thing is most of the time i am thinking about touching myself and was wondering what you all think the best thing to do is?

I am very BIG in the city ..

what oil would you all suggest for an overall "workout" ..

anyopne wanna meet up for a protein shake ?

Congratulations - you have managed the very weirdest post I've ever seen anywhere! "Surpassing expectations . . ."

Oh, and you do not need more for your chest.

[tricky69]

Lost_BMW said:

tricky69 said:

The thing is most of the time i am thinking about touching myself and was wondering what you all think the best thing to do is?

I am very BIG in the city ..

what oil would you all suggest for an overall "workout" ..

anyopne wanna meet up for a protein shake ?

Congratulations - you have managed the very weirdest post I've ever seen anywhere! "Surpassing expectations . . ."

Oh, and you do not need more for your chest.

yeah pretty strange.. so obviously wasn't me

but thanks

[Lost_BMW]

I'm still lost?

[Smashed]

PHraped?

[Lost_BMW]

Does that happen . . . even to males? My god!

Wonder what the % conviction rate is.