Martial Art / Self Defence? What to choose?
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simons123 said:
After doing Muay Thai for the last 15 years+, I've always wanted to try Ju Jitsu but every place I look is so god damn expensive. It's usually around £80 a month when I've looked which is crazy expensive compared to Muay Thai or Boxing classes.
Because it's trendy. I wondered about just doing 1-2-1 for a couple of sessions, sometimes you see like £50 with their junior instructors so you can see what it's like without committing.Hoofy said:
simons123 said:
After doing Muay Thai for the last 15 years+, I've always wanted to try Ju Jitsu but every place I look is so god damn expensive. It's usually around £80 a month when I've looked which is crazy expensive compared to Muay Thai or Boxing classes.
Because it's trendy. I wondered about just doing 1-2-1 for a couple of sessions, sometimes you see like £50 with their junior instructors so you can see what it's like without committing.MC Bodge said:
Go with the boxing/Muay Thai classes. If nothing else, it will improve most people's fitness.
This is what else I wanted to say, it is nearly always the fittest guy that wins. Most people puff themselves out after 30 seconds of windmilling and if you are conditioned you'll be dancing round them, of course they will try to go to ground so make sure they don't have a mate that can come and kick you in the face, happened to me once and I had the laces of an Adidas Samba imprinted on my face for a week 
jdw100 said:
Did you ever try the ‘how far do you need to be away before you can turn and run without getting stabbed experiment’?
No, that's not one we've role-played, but I'll suggest it to my instructor. Just the usual run asap/give them what they want/plan a defence/attack. I'm glad I can run/move fast, as I'm not sure how I react to a real-life knife. There's only so much realism you can add to life/death situations.MC Bodge said:
He is looking for fighting / self-defence advice.
I spent 15 years on kickboxing, at one point training with UK fighters (getting beaten up 
). I'm sounding like a broken record, but the OP really would benefit more from KM. As you age, the focus needs to shift away from brute force/striking etc and more about defence/elimination of the threat as safely or as quickly as possible.biggbn said:
SlimJim16v said:
Some really good posts.
I would add, Krav Maga is overrated, and grappling is not very good against more than one person.
Unless you are very proficient, nothing much works against more than one protagonist if they are intent on hurting you and not just rowdy, drunken yobs, as the saying goes, I don't care if your Muhammad im 'ard Bruce Lee, there are few people who will proficiently defend themselves on several skilled attackers. I would add, Krav Maga is overrated, and grappling is not very good against more than one person.
MaxFromage said:
jdw100 said:
Did you ever try the ‘how far do you need to be away before you can turn and run without getting stabbed experiment’?
No, that's not one we've role-played, but I'll suggest it to my instructor. Just the usual run asap/give them what they want/plan a defence/attack. I'm glad I can run/move fast, as I'm not sure how I react to a real-life knife. There's only so much realism you can add to life/death situations.Edited by biggbn on Wednesday 3rd July 11:21
Gecko1978 said:
Tik tok is useful for this. Videos of MMA fighters going against 2 opponents at once. Unless your Eddie hall v the two Dwarfs it's pretty much a non starter. I say this with zero skill but if a pro MMA fighter can't fight 2 people then odds are 99.9% can't either
It can be done by skilled and experienced people vs unskilled, inexperienced people. There are videos on YouTube of boxers doing it and I know people who've survived encounters with multiple attackers. But yes, 99% of us can't. SlimJim16v said:
Gecko1978 said:
Tik tok is useful for this. Videos of MMA fighters going against 2 opponents at once. Unless your Eddie hall v the two Dwarfs it's pretty much a non starter. I say this with zero skill but if a pro MMA fighter can't fight 2 people then odds are 99.9% can't either
It can be done by skilled and experienced people vs unskilled, inexperienced people. There are videos on YouTube of boxers doing it and I know people who've survived encounters with multiple attackers. But yes, 99% of us can't. It was relatively 'common' to be surrounded working doors, lots of pubs were one man doors tbrough the week, and as always the best policy was not let anyone in you'd have trouble getting out...so talking to groups you had decided to refuse in a polite but assertive way, using humour where appropriate worked most of the time. I have been 'jumped' by groups in the past which is where my above advice comes from. If you can deter the loudest, most insistent of them, the others tend to shout and bawl but ultimately leave the scene..the groups i had most physical problems with were marines or, families or football teams..one for all and all for one in those situations and that could be tricky!!
Some good advice in here. From my own experience I do Judo for more fitness and fun.
Out on the street there is always someone who is faster, will catch you completely unaware. I.e. your walking along the street after a few beers. Male suddenly says something and bang punch out of the blue - no idea where it's come from etc. All your thinking, trying to process is "where, what happened, why is this happening" and then bang again before your trying to run away.
You can train for 10yrs but as you are a decent person who works hard in your profession your brain is still in shock and you're brain is still shouting why me, who is he? Rather than the brain of someone who all their life they've been punched in the head from being a small child, into their teens etc so violence is very much part of their whole life.
I've come from a bit of both worlds. In my teens I've been jumped and kicked or stamped on by groups, ive had that experiencd above. Being smacked round the head without pads so know how it feels. That's what training doesn't teach - knuckles and being kicked if you go down. Back when I was growing up you could get involved in physical without the risk of being stabbed or picking up a saliva or blood infection.
In the past on dark rainy nights working alone when I've come up against said types. I've acted first and very fast. It's lasted 20 seconds tops thankfully. If I'd waited all it takes is a lucky punch and you can be on your ass. So always first.
Train for fitness, mental health and fun.
Out on the street there is always someone who is faster, will catch you completely unaware. I.e. your walking along the street after a few beers. Male suddenly says something and bang punch out of the blue - no idea where it's come from etc. All your thinking, trying to process is "where, what happened, why is this happening" and then bang again before your trying to run away.
You can train for 10yrs but as you are a decent person who works hard in your profession your brain is still in shock and you're brain is still shouting why me, who is he? Rather than the brain of someone who all their life they've been punched in the head from being a small child, into their teens etc so violence is very much part of their whole life.
I've come from a bit of both worlds. In my teens I've been jumped and kicked or stamped on by groups, ive had that experiencd above. Being smacked round the head without pads so know how it feels. That's what training doesn't teach - knuckles and being kicked if you go down. Back when I was growing up you could get involved in physical without the risk of being stabbed or picking up a saliva or blood infection.
In the past on dark rainy nights working alone when I've come up against said types. I've acted first and very fast. It's lasted 20 seconds tops thankfully. If I'd waited all it takes is a lucky punch and you can be on your ass. So always first.
Train for fitness, mental health and fun.
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
In the past on dark rainy nights working alone when I've come up against said types. I've acted first and very fast. It's lasted 20 seconds tops thankfully. If I'd waited all it takes is a lucky punch and you can be on your ass. So always first.
Just another day at work in the mean underworld of floristry....What is your typical opening salvo in said encounters?
Take up the oldest of all the arts, running. Will get you fit and in shape, and I guarantee will be the best martial art you could ever deploy in a street fight.
Anything other than running at your (our) age combined with all the unknowns including weapons, means having the confidence to face someone down on the street will likely land you in hospital. Just leg it for the win.
Anything other than running at your (our) age combined with all the unknowns including weapons, means having the confidence to face someone down on the street will likely land you in hospital. Just leg it for the win.
MC Bodge said:
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
In the past on dark rainy nights working alone when I've come up against said types. I've acted first and very fast. It's lasted 20 seconds tops thankfully. If I'd waited all it takes is a lucky punch and you can be on your ass. So always first.
Just another day at work in the mean underworld of floristry....What is your typical opening salvo in said encounters?
My cousin is a doorman, boxing coach and occasional celebrity bodyguard. He's trained in C&R techniques but that really only works in certain situations. For everyday protection he recommends boxing. The cardio fitness makes a lot of difference - a lot of people are gasping for breath after 3 or 4 full strength punches.
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
MC Bodge said:
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
In the past on dark rainy nights working alone when I've come up against said types. I've acted first and very fast. It's lasted 20 seconds tops thankfully. If I'd waited all it takes is a lucky punch and you can be on your ass. So always first.
Just another day at work in the mean underworld of floristry....What is your typical opening salvo in said encounters?
What do you do to pre-empt violence? Rush in and grapple with wrong 'uns?
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