Whatever happened to "please and thank you"?

Whatever happened to "please and thank you"?

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Slow.Patrol

Original Poster:

910 posts

21 months

Saturday 24th August
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We have a young relative staying with us at the moment. The 12 year old niece of the OH.

We have fed her, taken her to a show, taken her out for meals, local attractions etc, probably spent £150+ on her alone.

Not one please or thank you.

Is this normal?

As a young kid, if I ever went to someone's house, my Mum would drill into me to say please and thank you and I would get the Spanish Inquisition when I got home to confirm that I did.

sherman

13,812 posts

222 months

Saturday 24th August
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12 yo
Your lucky she looked up from her phone to give you eye contact.

Slow.Patrol

Original Poster:

910 posts

21 months

Saturday 24th August
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sherman said:
12 yo
Your lucky she looked up from her phone to give you eye contact.
Actually, spot on. She is glued to her phone.

No doubt following some influencer on Tiktoc.

Must admit, if I was a parent, I would be tempted to plant a virus on the phone and blame it on Tiktoc.

vaud

52,317 posts

162 months

Saturday 24th August
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It depends. My 7 and 11 year olds always use it. We had some of the eldest’s friends around in the holiday and they were all saying “please may I”, “thank you”, etc

Pistom

5,569 posts

166 months

Saturday 24th August
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Just sounds like st parenting. I have nieces, grand nieces. Heads in phone but always say please and thank you.

Arrivalist

571 posts

6 months

Saturday 24th August
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The response to this person in “what do you say”? followed by “you’re welcome”.

Then it’s a word with the parents and a lack of hospitality until things change.

No excuse for poor manners and no reason to put up with them.

vaud

52,317 posts

162 months

Saturday 24th August
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Arrivalist said:
The response to this person in “what do you say”? followed by “you’re welcome”.
My response is normally "I think there was a word missing..."

Other parents kids sometimes look shocked that they have been brought to task, but then I tend to find their parents are also role models for not saying "thank you" when you hand them a drink, etc so it's no shock that the kids emulate them.

bigpriest

1,801 posts

137 months

Saturday 24th August
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Just let a youngster ahead of me at the till in the local shop. Got a "thankyou so much". So ner.

GliderRider

2,527 posts

88 months

Saturday 24th August
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Blame the makers of UK TV dramas. In almost every case the person being addressed turns and walks away without a word. I was taught that a message is not considered received until it has been acknowledged.

If dealing with your family, after handing an item over, grab it back and say, "Well, if it wasn't worth a thank you, you clearly didn't want it." If you provided a meal or service, don't do so again until they query why and then explain.

I've been with my partner for 23 years. I wouldn't dream of not thanking her for a meal, cup of tea, etc.

Skyedriver

18,856 posts

289 months

Saturday 24th August
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I'm old so always try to say please, thank you etc. our 18 year old does similar (I hope all the time).
I notice on many of the FB sites when folk ask for advice, spares etc it's often without any niceties, just "What's everyone using" or "Where can I get" or "Looking for XXX"

HTP99

23,284 posts

147 months

Saturday 24th August
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My 11 yo grandson always says please and thankyou, his mum (my daughter has drilled it into him), I took him out a couple of weeks ago to the Imperial War Museum, just me and him, upon leaving the museum "thankyou grandad for a great day", he just came out with it.

I see many adults whilst at work, they come in all sullen "where's the xyx?" no please, no thankyou!

People generally are just ruder!

CammyN

238 posts

6 months

Saturday 24th August
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HTP99 said:
My 11 yo grandson always says please and thankyou, his mum (my daughter has drilled it into him), I took him out a couple of weeks ago to the Imperial War Museum, just me and him, upon leaving the museum "thankyou grandad for a great day", he just came out with it.

I see many adults whilst at work, they come in all sullen "where's the xyx?" no please, no thankyou!

People generally are just ruder!
That is commendable, I would be proud, same thing goes for table manners and even how to use cutlery. I wanted my step daughter to be able to sit down for dinner with the highest in the land and know what to do and how to behave. She was also taught to say thank you to the host and any staff.

She is long gone now, hated me for being strict but that is just the way I saw it, a blank sheet of paper for you to draw the adult that you hope they might be.

HTP99

23,284 posts

147 months

Saturday 24th August
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CammyN said:
HTP99 said:
My 11 yo grandson always says please and thankyou, his mum (my daughter has drilled it into him), I took him out a couple of weeks ago to the Imperial War Museum, just me and him, upon leaving the museum "thankyou grandad for a great day", he just came out with it.

I see many adults whilst at work, they come in all sullen "where's the xyx?" no please, no thankyou!

People generally are just ruder!
That is commendable, I would be proud, same thing goes for table manners and even how to use cutlery. I wanted my step daughter to be able to sit down for dinner with the highest in the land and know what to do and how to behave. She was also taught to say thank you to the host and any staff.

She is long gone now, hated me for being strict but that is just the way I saw it, a blank sheet of paper for you to draw the adult that you hope they might be.
Grandson is the same, he can be taken to a restaurant, no iPad, no phone with videos, he interacts with us, he orders his own food and drinks, he interacts with the waiter/waitress, says please and thankyou to them.

I am very proud of him, however this is the way we brought our daughters up, to us it's what you do and normal.



Dog Biscuit

343 posts

4 months

Saturday 24th August
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It might be common but it's certainly not right in my view

It's just a reflection of the parenting or lack of.

We've always brought ours up to be polite, use manners and engage in conversation rather than the usual teenage grunt.

No excuse for it and if my niece behaved the same way I would politely and gently pick her up on it smile

N111BJG

1,153 posts

70 months

Saturday 24th August
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Not just youngsters

I was recently involved with arranging a large charitable event with responsibility for bookings & table place allocation. I received many requests by email that did not feature either a please or thank you.

In one particular case there was criticism of the online booking form, I replied giving assistance advising that compliance with P’s & Q’s protocol was required. In the reply he confirmed that he did not know what P’s & Q’s were.


gotoPzero

18,155 posts

196 months

Saturday 24th August
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Wifes sisters kids just know "I want" followed by whatever it is.
They are only 6/7 but it boils my p*ss how they demand what they want at any moment parents jump to it.

Mr.Chips

1,039 posts

221 months

Saturday 24th August
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I definitely think it is down to parenting. My 26yo niece recently sent me a snotty text message. My crime? I had the audacity to send her a humorous birthday card! No thank you or anything positive, just a massive moan about sending her a crappy card showing a cat eating birthday cake. Yet my two granddaughters aged 4 and 7 have immaculate manners, please Grandpa, thank you Grandpa. You don’t need the brains of a rocking horse to work out who is in the will and who is out!

interstellar

3,778 posts

153 months

Saturday 24th August
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I would have said something. No way would I ignore it.

Mr.Chips

1,039 posts

221 months

Saturday 24th August
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interstellar said:
I would have said something. No way would I ignore it.
Don’t worry, I did! She was left in no doubt that I was both pissed off and would not be taking anymore st from her. The next text she sent, asked me to call her and she did say please. However, I told her that I would be calling her when I had reflected on her behavior and had calmed down sufficiently to have a constructive conversation on our relationship in the future. I will be calling her at the end of the month.

98elise

28,183 posts

168 months

Saturday 24th August
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It's bad parenting.

We bought our kids up to say please and thank you. We've had people comment on how nice our kids were, and they have both grown up to be decent young adults.