Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
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NRG1976 said:
I think there is a spectrum, so 9/11, flat earth, covid, bill gates, illuminati, lizards etc. are basket case level. The Israel one is not too far removed from a possibility.
False flag is a known geo-political tactic. Equally a few MSM feel hamas operation was designed to destabilise the talks between Saudi Arabia in recognition of Israel being a state etc. etc. so equally on the spectrum of Israel self inflicting.
First, mixing “false flag”, “geo-political” and “MSM” in close proximity screams “I am a level 12 deep thinker” but quietly says the opposite. False flag is a known geo-political tactic. Equally a few MSM feel hamas operation was designed to destabilise the talks between Saudi Arabia in recognition of Israel being a state etc. etc. so equally on the spectrum of Israel self inflicting.
Edited by NRG1976 on Saturday 21st October 10:35
Secondly, it’s properly bizarre to compare an objectively rational hypothesis for Hamas’s attack (cleaving relations between Israel and Saudi) with a CT that Israel let it happen to create a pretext to retaliate. One involves A killing its enemy, B, expecting B to respond in such a way as to alienate C. The other involves B allowing its own civilian citizens to be slaughtered so it can kill A’s soldiers and civilians.
kayc said:
coldel said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Hoofy said:
coldel said:
I did do a bit of reading on these guys a couple of years back as they are associated with qanon / capitol raid etc. and they really are just a bunch of people who often are low income, wanting more, feel they are owed, and ironically often involved in fraud and scams to rip other people off.
I think it's down to people being told what they want to hear so they are more easily agreeable to it. I've seen it a lot in my industry (therapy/complementary health). People promising things. Using loose logic to say things that people want to hear. Chuck in a bit of pseudo science, make it sound technical and clever but also use words like "scientific" and "critical thinking" to imply that if you disagree you're... wrong. In the 3 years of my science degree, not once did anyone say "critical thinking". In a word, it's manipulation.I remember one where someone was quoting something from the guy that invented the PCR test I think it was, the guy unfortunately had passed on a few years before who spoke about his PCR testing, but this chap peddled is as true and undiable that the PCR test wasnt fit for purpose. Upon closer inspection it became clear that the quote not only was completely out of context, but actually made up of two different quotes made months apart that had been put together to support some spurious nonsense around it.
Even when I pulled the relevant articles, pointed out that the quote wasnt factual and that the context was completely different - that guy said that it was still relevant. Classic CT behaviour. Even bare faced facts still wouldn't shift his belief in a falsehood. "
kayc said:
coldel said:
kayc said:
ot bored before..so..why do you think that CT's at the time thought Joe was misleading or lying to the public because what he was saying looked illogical and has now been be a proven correct opinion( for a reason yet to be discovered)...or gonna gloss over that as usual?
Making basic and simple mistakes is quite boring I agree. In case you missed it, Nobel Peace Prize is not the Nobel Prize for Medicine. And a nominee, is someone nominated, not a winner. It becomes a lot more interesting when you work that out. Gloss over? Or simply that it is tiresome saying the same thing to you, that the world isn't binary, that opposing one thing doesn't automatically throw you into the diametrically opposite view. CT opposing everything they were told is very different to a person that evaluates statements on their individual merits and coming to conclusions. Doing the latter does not make you a sheep nor does it make you a CT. When you work that out, the world will become a less confusing and conspiratorial place for you.
kayc said:
o..this is becoming a little tiring..see if you can actually answer a straight question...did Biden say in 09/2021 "it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" to coerce people into being jabbed( factually proven to be incorrect)..anybody who questioned his reasons for saying this for a variety of reasons at the time was considered a CT...
Bold above.If you can't provide any evidence of this I'd suggest you're flogging a dead horse. It appears to be a figment of your imagination
kayc said:
he problem you have is that in your binary world everyone who questions anything that isnt the 'standard' line is a CT..you seem to not grasp that i and others question certain things that make no sense or appear illogical.There are degrees of CT'ers ..which is where your binary opinion is wrong..i dont think the earth is flat and the King is a lizard..but i sure as hell dont belive LHO killed JFK with a rusty rifle from 200 yards either.
Bold above.As with Biden - any evidence or, once again, a figment of your imagination?
markiii said:
5 In a Row said:
Is it all just a result of social media/the internet?
I don't remember so many people having odd views back in the 80s, 90s and 2000s.
I had a look at the Covid 23 thread in N,P & E and can't work out who the conspiracy theorists are among the posters.
It almost feels as if they all are but coming from 2 opposing directions.
I'm sure they had odd views they just didn't have the means of putting them out there were we know about them before social mediaI don't remember so many people having odd views back in the 80s, 90s and 2000s.
I had a look at the Covid 23 thread in N,P & E and can't work out who the conspiracy theorists are among the posters.
It almost feels as if they all are but coming from 2 opposing directions.
jameswills said:
The Rik Mayall film One by One recorded in 2014 is the one to watch, he “died” suddenly soon after and the film seems to have been forgotten by everyone, doesn’t even get a wiki mention.
Looks like Rik didn't have a heart attack after going jogging - Klaus had him done in! Naturally, the film is listed on Wiki....coldel said:
Wow I actually dived right into the rabbit hole on that COVID thread for a look.
Am I reading it right, they genuinely think a low budget movie where they throw out the idea of vaccines killing people then RM dying is evidence of something sinister, is that genuinely what they are saying?
Or is it more along the lines of just highlighting that there was a movie made about the idea of vaccines killing people, and thats it.
I think the gist of the argument is that the film reveals how the world really works (wake up and smell the coffee sheeple!) and in retaliation for this secret being divulged 'they' (Gates, Soros, Schwab, Tony Blair - take your pick) had Rik Mayall killed (hence "died"). I don't think they have thought the argument through - surely more sensible for 'them' to kill the writer or whomever discovered the 'secret' rather than Kevin Turvey? Still, there are a number on that thread who seem to really struggle to separate fact from fiction. I guess they believe the low budget and poorly reviewed drama is a documentary?Am I reading it right, they genuinely think a low budget movie where they throw out the idea of vaccines killing people then RM dying is evidence of something sinister, is that genuinely what they are saying?
Or is it more along the lines of just highlighting that there was a movie made about the idea of vaccines killing people, and thats it.
The one professional review I found (via IMDb) could be a critique of that thread!:
A cafe worker (Heather Wilson) discovers Earth could be on the verge of apocalypse in this micro-budget Brit-flick. Writer/director Diane Millers feature debut feels less like a film, more a series of paranoid ramblings. At times the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous you half-expect a late twist revealing everything to have been one big parody, but the characters continue speaking the cringeworthy dialogue with the kind of self-satisfaction that the late Rik Mayall (who plays a character unironically named Ernest) used to mock in his most famous roles. Director: Diane Jessie Miller Starring: Steven Macaulay, Rik Mayall, Sean Meyer Theatrical release: 19 June 2015 Stephen Puddicombe
Timothy Bucktu said:
Class66 said:
This is a good link that always shuts the more sneering anti vaxxers up - without fail, when they realise how misinformed they are from their echo chamber nonsense.
The ones who literally wish death on the ‘Jibby jabbed’.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/conditio...
Forgive my ignorance, but there's plenty of mainstream news articles linking Myocarditis with the Covid vaccines. I'm not sure what that article has to do with it, apart from detailing the symptoms and treatment?The ones who literally wish death on the ‘Jibby jabbed’.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/conditio...
Timothy Bucktu said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
Class66 said:
This is a good link that always shuts the more sneering anti vaxxers up - without fail, when they realise how misinformed they are from their echo chamber nonsense.
The ones who literally wish death on the ‘Jibby jabbed’.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/conditio...
Forgive my ignorance, but there's plenty of mainstream news articles linking Myocarditis with the Covid vaccines. I'm not sure what that article has to do with it, apart from detailing the symptoms and treatment?The ones who literally wish death on the ‘Jibby jabbed’.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/conditio...
What are your thoughts on Sweden, Norway, and Finland suspending the use of the Moderna Covid vaccine in young Men, due to concerns over the Myocarditis links?
Are their health regulators just silly anti-vaxxers and stupendously stupid or making it all up?
I mean, if you're a sensible young Man (I say Man, as they seem to be particularly as risk from Myocarditis apparently) you would have got your Covid vaccine assuming it was all perfectly safe, cos that's what we were told I believe? They didn't have a choice of course...Moderna, Pfizer and the now withdrawn in the UK over safety concerns AstraZenca vax.
Anyone hesitant might be forgiven for being so?
You can take yourself back to the Covid thread now, Sealion.
Timothy Bucktu said:
And by the way...wishing death on jibby jabbed... Who on earth is doing that?
Either way, Myocarditis isn't like a cold...it can lead serious problems. If the premise was to brush it off as a side effect of the Covid Vaccine in some people, and no big deal - then you have to wonder why some countries are pulling it based on these findings?
One of your fellow loons on the Covid thread was wishing death on the "jibby jabbed" - jameswillsEither way, Myocarditis isn't like a cold...it can lead serious problems. If the premise was to brush it off as a side effect of the Covid Vaccine in some people, and no big deal - then you have to wonder why some countries are pulling it based on these findings?
Would you like a fish?
coldel said:
Have we had any more mentions in those threads? We seem to have riled quite a few of them because we don't fly in to a huge flap shouting at clouds and the like getting in to pointless debates with them about their beliefs.
Apparently this is the "lock me down harder thread" (from Covid cure...). No, I couldn't quite work that out either. Bit of looniness about the Rothschilds and George Soros (possibly one of the more anti-semitic posters has got a ban as his 'contributions' seem to have stopped). Alternatively, abducted by aliens at the behest of Bill Gates. Same old, same old really.No doubt some analysis of the 'Canada email' and the 'Great Reset' will be forthcoming shortly!
5 In a Row said:
coldel said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Apparently this is the "lock me down harder thread" (from Covid cure...). No, I couldn't quite work that out either. Bit of looniness about the Rothschilds and George Soros (possibly one of the more anti-semitic posters has got a ban as his 'contributions' seem to have stopped). Alternatively, abducted by aliens at the behest of Bill Gates. Same old, same old really.
No doubt some analysis of the 'Canada email' and the 'Great Reset' will be forthcoming shortly!
Haha the lock me down harder thread, good one No doubt some analysis of the 'Canada email' and the 'Great Reset' will be forthcoming shortly!
yes damn us with our objective views and lack of emotive based ranting about 'them' Oh yeah, because someone becomes wealthy of course their next step is to move into global domination and subjugation [insert evil laugh here] - maybe someone should mention that this isn't a Hollywood movie about kingsman and the like.
Musk certainly appears to be heading down that path but that's ok because clearly he's not one of 'them', he's on the side of the CTers!!
I've never heard of the Canada email, can someone enlighten me?
I have my tinfoil hat at the ready.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/29/...
It was very popular amongst the QAnon types on 'that' thread many volumes back. Perhaps one of them may be able to post up the full 'email'.
I was in Canada earlier this year and, weirdly, people seemed to own all sorts of stuff. Just like previous visits!
No doubt there's a legit reason why it hasn't happened 'yet'.
Edit: Beaten to it above ^
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th December 17:17
OP here.
Nope, since writing this thread I'm absolutely convinced that CT's are in a league of their own when it comes gullible 'believe anything' stupidity.
They are usually to be found in their bedroom (still living at their parents house), underpants on their head whilst sipping an energy drink and reading some tripe on a far flung forum.
Bellends
Nope, since writing this thread I'm absolutely convinced that CT's are in a league of their own when it comes gullible 'believe anything' stupidity.
They are usually to be found in their bedroom (still living at their parents house), underpants on their head whilst sipping an energy drink and reading some tripe on a far flung forum.
Bellends
captain_cynic said:
MBBlat said:
Typical conspiracy thinking - 11,000 temporary exemption certificates were issued to medical staff, 85% due to recent COVID infection. Note the temporary, the same person could have multiple exemptions, so the number of actual people covered is much lower. Some anti-vax nutter heard the number, added 2+2 to get 11,000 and pulled out of their ass that they must have been elites.
Source for the 11,005 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/13310460...
11,000 is 0.2% of NZ's population so there could easily be that many exemptions for legit medical reasons (I.E. people with a history of dangerous blood clots), which was my first thought.Source for the 11,005 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/13310460...
It could even be 11,000 for acute trypanophobia. Not that you need an exemption from vaccination regardless of if you're terrified of needles.
That's the difference between a CTer and a normal person. A normal person won't jump immediately to an outlandish explanation whilst ignoring several logical ones.
The most hilarious thing I found is that there are "elites" in New Zealand.
PurplePenguin said:
swanny71 said:
Rufus Stone said:
coldel said:
Oh my good lord. 20 pages of ranting.
Unfortunately nowadays everyone thinks everyone is out to get them.
Having worked for companies that deal with large amounts of personal data, its interesting to see so many myths spoken as truths, and people just run with it because of ... yes you guessed it ... an underlying anxiety around authority.
It really is amazing how many times actual facts are ignored or disregarded and a conspiracy around authority is reached without a seconds breath.
Sad reality of the world today.
Is it the same people as those still posting in the covid thread?Unfortunately nowadays everyone thinks everyone is out to get them.
Having worked for companies that deal with large amounts of personal data, its interesting to see so many myths spoken as truths, and people just run with it because of ... yes you guessed it ... an underlying anxiety around authority.
It really is amazing how many times actual facts are ignored or disregarded and a conspiracy around authority is reached without a seconds breath.
Sad reality of the world today.
PurplePenguin said:
swanny71 said:
PurplePenguin said:
swanny71 said:
PurplePenguin said:
LF5335 said:
PurplePenguin said:
Not all that different to this thread really is it? With clodel being the “authority me harder daddy” character
I wanted to go for a drive today, but then it turns out that they want me to get insurance, VED, an MOT and have a driving licence, which requires me to send them a photo too. Then they set limits about how fast I can go before they fine me. They also expect me to stop at random lights, or when someone wants to cross the road at specific points. Why should I be subservient to another? Absolutely ridiculous, it’s clear they’re just making rules up for their own benefit and they’ll use my photo to stitch me up for a crime.
They are all in on it.
Are you implying that if someone has a valid drivers license, car tax/insurance and obeys traffic lights etc. they suffer from authority bias?
So what exactly is your point?
Explain it to me because maybe I’m just being a bit thick (pun intended given the title of this thread).
Many threads have a similar trend e.g. the covid thread. The DBS one was a little more interesting (to me) but if you have a viewpoint (which does lean towards appeal to authority imo) then obviously you will ridicule the sentiment behind it.
I think we all know the view each individual poster has and this probably won’t change.
Posters on this thread believing they are different to the posters on other threads but are in fact the same - it was really a subjective observation rather than a criticism.
bigandclever said:
Just heard a fun one that Finland doesn't exist. It's on the maps but the reality is it's a bit of ocean the Japanese (for some reason) are keeping for themselves. The clinching argument was 'Have you ever met anyone from Finland? You haven't. They were Swedish'.
The fun bit is it was basically this Reddit thread regurgitated, nearly 10 years on .. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2qjohv...
Lol, a UN driven conspiracy! Turbo must be a big fanThe fun bit is it was basically this Reddit thread regurgitated, nearly 10 years on .. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2qjohv...
Edited by bigandclever on Monday 1st January 21:32
coldel said:
PurplePenguin said:
And yet, these types often do actually function in society - obviously, otherwise they would be in a secure mental facility.
Thats a fair point, they do actually function - which beggars the question how someone could believe something so utterly ridiculous and obviously incorrect yet hold down a job, look after their own finances, have meaningful relationships etc. But that is kind of the crux of this thread, how someone who for the most part just gets on with life but then is almost on a religious level throwing themselves into a belief system. Thats the psychology that so many people have studied and tried to understand, and what I like to refer to on here. They are locked up because they go against the elites and MSM narrative (government propaganda). Obviously.
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