What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)

[CountyAFC]

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Not after a detailed discussion. Just tell us which politician(s) brought the case against Trump that's just concluded?

I believe it was Alvin Bragg, the DA for New York State - who if you look on his Wikipedia page has "Democrat" under his political party.

So not a politician then.

[bodhi]

CountyAFC said:

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Not after a detailed discussion. Just tell us which politician(s) brought the case against Trump that's just concluded?

I believe it was Alvin Bragg, the DA for New York State - who if you look on his Wikipedia page has "Democrat" under his political party.

So not a politician then.

If you believe DAs in the US aren't part of the wider political landscape I have a bridge to sell you.

They shouldn't be, but they are.

[CountyAFC]

Nice try.

He's not a politician.

What you stated as fact, was false.

Nothing you say is going to change that.

Don't dig yourself into a deeper hole.

[bodhi]

CountyAFC said:

Nice try.

He's not a politician.

What you stated as fact, was false.

Nothing you say is going to change that.

Don't dig yourself into a deeper hole.

Aw bless.

[98elise]

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Strangely Brown said:

CountyAFC said:

bodhi said:

My original point was a more general one, albeit triggered by the case you mention - whenever politicians of any colour or ideology start using the courts against their opponents I start to get very uncomfortable given how these things have gone in the past - and in the case of the US, sets a very unfortunate precedent.

For instance in this case if the Orange one gets in again - which looks entirely possible looking at the polls - what do we think the first thing he'll do is?

Seems to me a genie that didn't need to be let out of the bottle. Just beat him at the ballot box again, and leave the lawyers alone.

Which politician(s) brought the case that's just concluded?

Also, please tell us when the prosecutions were brought and when he announced that he was running?

I think we're in for a long wait...

If you're after a detailed discussion of the case itself you probably are as this isn't really the thread for it - I'm told there's one in NPE where you can find deep discussion and popular opinions on it to your heart's content.

However political prosecutions do make me deeply uncomfortable for reasons stated, and I'm struggling to see how they help an already massively divided country. Guess we just have to wait to see how the appeal goes.

He was found guilty by a jury of his peers, not politicians.

The prosecution started before he decided to run for president. He is only running as an attempt avoid further trials. The documents case is a slam dunk. If he wasn't Trump he would already be in jail for that.

[Strangely Brown]

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Strangely Brown said:

CountyAFC said:

bodhi said:

My original point was a more general one, albeit triggered by the case you mention - whenever politicians of any colour or ideology start using the courts against their opponents I start to get very uncomfortable given how these things have gone in the past - and in the case of the US, sets a very unfortunate precedent.

For instance in this case if the Orange one gets in again - which looks entirely possible looking at the polls - what do we think the first thing he'll do is?

Seems to me a genie that didn't need to be let out of the bottle. Just beat him at the ballot box again, and leave the lawyers alone.

Which politician(s) brought the case that's just concluded?

Also, please tell us when the prosecutions were brought and when he announced that he was running?

I think we're in for a long wait...

If you're after a detailed discussion of the case itself you probably are as this isn't really the thread for it - I'm told there's one in NPE where you can find deep discussion and popular opinions on it to your heart's content.

However political prosecutions do make me deeply uncomfortable for reasons stated, and I'm struggling to see how they help an already massively divided country. Guess we just have to wait to see how the appeal goes.

Yes. I agree. Political prosecutions would make me uncomfortable too... but this was not one, and neither are the other indictments. They are simply the wheels of justice turning. The fact that he has decided to make himself a political opponent after the fact does not make the prosecution political.
What would your solution be?

[Countdown]

bodhi said:

If you believe DAs in the US aren't part of the wider political landscape I have a bridge to sell you.

They shouldn't be, but they are.

AIUI it's a Grand Jury which decides there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, the DA only puts the initial evidence forward. And then obviously there's a Judge, and another Jury, and umpteen avenues for appeal and asking for the case to be struck out.

To believe Trump's accusations that the entire Trial was rigged you would have to believe that almost the entire US judicial system had been corrupted. or you could believe that, actually, trump WAS guilty of all the things he was accused of.

Occam's Razor applies.

[21st Century Man]

The DA is usually on someone's ass, usually a hot sweaty overweight Chief of Police as he loosens his collar whilst chewing out a couple of officers.

[DodgyGeezer]

Strangely Brown said:

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Strangely Brown said:

CountyAFC said:

bodhi said:

My original point was a more general one, albeit triggered by the case you mention - whenever politicians of any colour or ideology start using the courts against their opponents I start to get very uncomfortable given how these things have gone in the past - and in the case of the US, sets a very unfortunate precedent.

For instance in this case if the Orange one gets in again - which looks entirely possible looking at the polls - what do we think the first thing he'll do is?

Seems to me a genie that didn't need to be let out of the bottle. Just beat him at the ballot box again, and leave the lawyers alone.

Which politician(s) brought the case that's just concluded?

Also, please tell us when the prosecutions were brought and when he announced that he was running?

I think we're in for a long wait...

If you're after a detailed discussion of the case itself you probably are as this isn't really the thread for it - I'm told there's one in NPE where you can find deep discussion and popular opinions on it to your heart's content.

However political prosecutions do make me deeply uncomfortable for reasons stated, and I'm struggling to see how they help an already massively divided country. Guess we just have to wait to see how the appeal goes.

Yes. I agree. Political prosecutions would make me uncomfortable too... but this was not one, and neither are the other indictments. They are simply the wheels of justice turning. The fact that he has decided to make himself a political opponent after the fact does not make the prosecution political.
What would your solution be?

To be fair my understanding was that the orange egomaniac was always going to re-run for POTUS so there is that.

I've spoken to several Democrats who loathe T and who feel a smidge of unease at how this has played out.

Another question which seems to be doing the rounds amongst the red-hatted ones is he's gone 70ish years without being prosecuted 'suddenly' (as soon as Biden's struggling) criminal charge start popping up. Is this a true representation of stuff? I dunno but the optics may give pause




Anywho - unpopular opinions... we need to pay more tax to have the services we want (popular opinion: government bodies really need to learn to cut wastage)

[mko9]

CountyAFC said:

bodhi said:

CountyAFC said:

Not after a detailed discussion. Just tell us which politician(s) brought the case against Trump that's just concluded?

I believe it was Alvin Bragg, the DA for New York State - who if you look on his Wikipedia page has "Democrat" under his political party.

So not a politician then.

It is an elected position, of course he is a politician. Jesus, 30sec of google to wikipedia could have enlightened the lot of you.

[williamp]

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

[djc206]

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

Blackmail requires a threat. She never threatened to release the info unless he paid up she just straight up tried to sell the story, a couple of times actually. I don’t see any issue with that. Don’t cheat on your wife and you won’t have to pay people to keep schtum.

[Strangely Brown]

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

If that is a genuinely held opinion then perhaps you could enlighten us as to how he was extorted and blackmailed and by whom?

[Nethybridge]

21st Century Man said:

The DA is usually on someone's ass, usually a hot sweaty overweight Chief of Police as he loosens his collar whilst chewing out a couple of officers.

Man you watch too many 1970s cop shows.

The US has a unfettered fetish
for democracy, there's really
no need for a DA or a
Police chief to
run for office
and be
accountable
to
taxpayers.

The UK has the right idea, the best person for high
office is the one whose daddy is really rich.

[mickythefish]

Congratulations some idiot has got you up the duff. But please cover up in the gym I don't want to see it, many thanks

[Nethybridge]

David Lammy as the future foreign secretary does not scare the bejesus out of me in any way at all.

[epom]

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

I’m ok with it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the small handed Fat Orange one has plenty wrongs to his name so yeah I’m cool with it to be honest.

[carlo996]

epom said:

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

I’m ok with it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the small handed Fat Orange one has plenty wrongs to his name so yeah I’m cool with it to be honest.

I’m not, random woman decides to sleep with trump, isn’t ok about it afterwards and decides to go on the attack. I don’t understand the support for her at all tbh.

[epom]

carlo996 said:

epom said:

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

I’m ok with it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the small handed Fat Orange one has plenty wrongs to his name so yeah I’m cool with it to be honest.

I’m not, random woman decides to sleep with trump, isn’t ok about it afterwards and decides to go on the attack. I don’t understand the support for her at all tbh.

That’s ok, we don’t all live in a world where our opinions are given to us.

[captain_cynic]

carlo996 said:

epom said:

williamp said:

How about this opinion:

Trump was the victim of blackmail and extorsion.

And a second opinion: Because its Trump, most people are Ok with, and even celebrating this fact.

I’m ok with it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the small handed Fat Orange one has plenty wrongs to his name so yeah I’m cool with it to be honest.

I’m not, random woman decides to sleep with trump, isn’t ok about it afterwards and decides to go on the attack. I don’t understand the support for her at all tbh.

You mean the woman who he paid to sleep with him and didn't do anything until he was charged with fraud to do with paying her off to keep silent about how he cheated on his wife.

Aside from everything you wrote, you were spot on.