Private schools, times a changing?

Private schools, times a changing?

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okgo

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38,665 posts

201 months

p1stonhead said:
Shadow education secretary said on the radio this morning it’s one of their first things on the list in the coming few weeks
I can see it grinding to a halt when they finally do write down a single policy on anything in an official manner.

Anyway, sounds like it will barely affect me fiscally, waste of everyone’s time. Big wealthy schools which contain the most kids on bursaries and have the best facilities that the public get a use of will easily weather it and bin most of the benefits to the common man that voted against it.

It’s hilarious really.

Vixpy1

42,639 posts

267 months

Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:

Louis Balfour

26,780 posts

225 months

If this does happen, my story so far is one of getting out just in time. I was in the last batch to receive a full student grant at Uni. and I managed to educate my children VAT-free.

My children are talking in terms of not remaining in this country (sad but true) so my grandchildren are unlikely to be affected.




DonkeyApple

56,656 posts

172 months

Vixpy1 said:
Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:
Done in days now they're all back at work as the Tory scum stopping them from doing their jobs are finally gone. wink

Labour need the money and I think they'll bang this one through asap before others can put a challenge of merit up.

Louis Balfour

26,780 posts

225 months

DonkeyApple said:
Vixpy1 said:
Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:
Done in days now they're all back at work as the Tory scum stopping them from doing their jobs are finally gone. wink

Labour need the money and I think they'll bang this one through asap before others can put a challenge of merit up.
Contrary to them saying it won’t be till ‘25?

Rob 131 Sport

2,650 posts

55 months

Louis Balfour said:
DonkeyApple said:
Vixpy1 said:
Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:
Done in days now they're all back at work as the Tory scum stopping them from doing their jobs are finally gone. wink

Labour need the money and I think they'll bang this one through asap before others can put a challenge of merit up.
Contrary to them saying it won’t be till ‘25?
Does anyone seriously think this will raise any money.

Labour Envy Tax 1. I wonder what else is coming….

Vixpy1

42,639 posts

267 months

Rob 131 Sport said:
Louis Balfour said:
DonkeyApple said:
Vixpy1 said:
Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:
Done in days now they're all back at work as the Tory scum stopping them from doing their jobs are finally gone. wink

Labour need the money and I think they'll bang this one through asap before others can put a challenge of merit up.
Contrary to them saying it won’t be till ‘25?
Does anyone seriously think this will raise any money.

Labour Envy Tax 1. I wonder what else is coming….
Changes to inheritance tax and CGT incoming

DonkeyApple

56,656 posts

172 months

Vixpy1 said:
Rob 131 Sport said:
Louis Balfour said:
DonkeyApple said:
Vixpy1 said:
Wait until the civil service gets hold of the legislation :lol:
Done in days now they're all back at work as the Tory scum stopping them from doing their jobs are finally gone. wink

Labour need the money and I think they'll bang this one through asap before others can put a challenge of merit up.
Contrary to them saying it won’t be till ‘25?
Does anyone seriously think this will raise any money.

Labour Envy Tax 1. I wonder what else is coming….
Changes to inheritance tax and CGT incoming
I suspect the first wealth taxes will be the ones that can be rebranded as environmental taxes. So my guess would be council tax rebanding, ending VAT discount on utilities above a base consumption level, a raid on pensions via some form of enforced investment in British Energy etc.

ClaphamGT3

11,387 posts

246 months

I think that we can also expect to see some form of annualised wealth tax on any residential property with a value over £1m

DonkeyApple

56,656 posts

172 months

ClaphamGT3 said:
I think that we can also expect to see some form of annualised wealth tax on any residential property with a value over £1m
That's why I think they'll do a rebanding of F and above. G is a pretty big catch all but everyone inside a G banded property is evil, planet killing scum that only elevated taxation can defend the masses from. That would allow for an extra 0.5-1% annual tax to be levied in the name of the environment. It would also heavily target the SE where the most terrible of people reside.

To be honest the bands do need reworking as G&H are pretty nonsensical after the massive property asset ramp of the turn of the century but it's an ideal opportunity to get some proper wealth taxation in there.

FishAndChips

626 posts

72 months

At least they have now pledged to use the money raised from charging VAT on private schools to pay for these 6.5k extra teachers. Can't argue with that.

Swervin_Mervin

4,508 posts

241 months

FishAndChips said:
At least they have now pledged to use the money raised from charging VAT on private schools to pay for these 6.5k extra teachers. Can't argue with that.
When they can't retain the ones they have how do you go about securing 6.5k extra?

McGee_22

6,861 posts

182 months

Swervin_Mervin said:
FishAndChips said:
At least they have now pledged to use the money raised from charging VAT on private schools to pay for these 6.5k extra teachers. Can't argue with that.
When they can't retain the ones they have how do you go about securing 6.5k extra?
When more state school places are needed because parents can’t afford the extra fees they’ll need even more teachers which means even more money needed, but the money will reduce as the pupils move from private to state schools and the tax take goes down as the private schools start to shut because there aren’t enough pupils because the costs increased too much.

brickwall

5,271 posts

213 months

DonkeyApple said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I think that we can also expect to see some form of annualised wealth tax on any residential property with a value over £1m
That's why I think they'll do a rebanding of F and above. G is a pretty big catch all but everyone inside a G banded property is evil, planet killing scum that only elevated taxation can defend the masses from. That would allow for an extra 0.5-1% annual tax to be levied in the name of the environment. It would also heavily target the SE where the most terrible of people reside.

To be honest the bands do need reworking as G&H are pretty nonsensical after the massive property asset ramp of the turn of the century but it's an ideal opportunity to get some proper wealth taxation in there.
The question is whether they do a simple rebanding, or (more likely) some kind of proportional payment structure of anything >£1m.

The simple method would be existing council tax (proceeds going to council) then a ‘super tax” of say 1-2% of value above £1m with the proceeds going straight to HMT. So if you live in a £5M house in Westminster, you’re about to get a big bill.

GT03ROB

13,491 posts

224 months

brickwall said:
The simple method would be existing council tax (proceeds going to council) then a ‘super tax” of say 1-2% of value above £1m with the proceeds going straight to HMT. So if you live in a £5M house in Westminster, you’re about to get a big bill.
There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?

macron

10,084 posts

169 months

GT03ROB said:
There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?
Roll up interest like equity release.

okgo

Original Poster:

38,665 posts

201 months

GT03ROB said:
There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?
The same can be said all the way up to £3-4m plus really.

It would be mental to do that without some kind of lever to protect people that had either been there fking ages or people that just bought. I’ve just bought a house and there isn’t that amount of slack in the budget unless I want to not save for my future.

brickwall

5,271 posts

213 months

GT03ROB said:
brickwall said:
The simple method would be existing council tax (proceeds going to council) then a ‘super tax” of say 1-2% of value above £1m with the proceeds going straight to HMT. So if you live in a £5M house in Westminster, you’re about to get a big bill.
There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?
That’s why they’d set a base threshold of £1M.
So if you’re in a £1.2M it’d be (£1.2M - £1M)*(1%) = £2k/yr
It only really starts to sting at £2M above, at which point the political narrative is “we’re asking multi-millionaires to pay a few thousand extra”


PhilboSE

4,516 posts

229 months

brickwall said:
That’s why they’d set a base threshold of £1M.
So if you’re in a £1.2M it’d be (£1.2M - £1M)*(1%) = £2k/yr
It only really starts to sting at £2M above, at which point the political narrative is “we’re asking multi-millionaires to pay a few thousand extra”
It’s the most insidious form of taxation. The houses I’ve bought have come from earned income on which I’ve paid the highest levels of tax. And then I’ve paid stamp duty bills running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. All of which is ok, and priced into my affordability calculations at the time. It’s egregious to come along after the event and now say “it’s only fair you pay £xx,000 more every year”. There’s just no basis for it, other than the simple minded “you’re rich, we’ll have your money”, totally disregarding the tax contribution made to get to that point.

McGee_22

6,861 posts

182 months

brickwall said:
GT03ROB said:
brickwall said:
The simple method would be existing council tax (proceeds going to council) then a ‘super tax” of say 1-2% of value above £1m with the proceeds going straight to HMT. So if you live in a £5M house in Westminster, you’re about to get a big bill.
There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?
That’s why they’d set a base threshold of £1M.
So if you’re in a £1.2M it’d be (£1.2M - £1M)*(1%) = £2k/yr
It only really starts to sting at £2M above, at which point the political narrative is “we’re asking multi-millionaires to pay a few thousand extra”
What about pensioners who bought a house for a few thousand 40 years ago and are living the most meagre lives on small pensions who live in house now worth over £1million?