Private schools, times a changing?
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I think this is why Reeves is already having to come clean about the fact that they won't get this off the ground until September 2025 at the earliest.
The other obvious challenge is going to be around the (very few) private schools in NI. They are going to have to be VAT-exempt so as not to jeopardise the NI relationship with the EU &, therefore, the Good Friday agreement. Someone (HMC if nobody else) is going to challenge on the application of VAT regulations differently in different parts of the UK
This. EU law exempts education from VAT (subject to meeting the criteria). Every time I see one of the labour shadow lot on tv being asked questions about their plans (not just this vat issue) they are clueless on any detail or how they will mitigate the real world issues on delivering their agendas.The other obvious challenge is going to be around the (very few) private schools in NI. They are going to have to be VAT-exempt so as not to jeopardise the NI relationship with the EU &, therefore, the Good Friday agreement. Someone (HMC if nobody else) is going to challenge on the application of VAT regulations differently in different parts of the UK
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-says-t...
Interesting question from the interview
Sir Keir was also pressed on the recent backlash to the policy, which Ms Ridge suggested may be related to "many people in Westminster and in the media who either went to private school or send their children there".
Interesting question from the interview
Sir Keir was also pressed on the recent backlash to the policy, which Ms Ridge suggested may be related to "many people in Westminster and in the media who either went to private school or send their children there".
NDA said:
pork911 said:
Ascayman said:
Our school has written a 10 page letter to Starmer highlighting just why this is so ridiculous and asked us all to send copies to our local mps.
It’s to long to post here and I don’t think you can post pdfs? Happy to share via email for anyone that’s interested though.
Where else are you opposing vat?It’s to long to post here and I don’t think you can post pdfs? Happy to share via email for anyone that’s interested though.
macron said:
RammyMP said:
We’ve had a letter from school asking us if we want to pay the fees in advance to avoid the VAT, I’m going to take them up on their offer.
I would say if you are invoiced for and pay fees before July 4 (or indeed any announcement of the change but it could be rushed out shortly after the election date so best to play safe) the chances of VAT being applicable are zero. Regardless HMRC would pursue the school first not you.
TownIdiot said:
Reeves has specifically said 2025, so I'd have thought this year is safe at the very least.
But this conflicts with the anti-forestalling narrative. It’s perfectly possibly to “bring it in” from 2025 but with anti-forestalling legislation from 2024. You or I might see this as bringing it in from 2024 but it’s political weasel words to say no it’s being brought in in 2025 just with look back. CS Garth said:
But this conflicts with the anti-forestalling narrative. It’s perfectly possibly to “bring it in” from 2025 but with anti-forestalling legislation from 2024. You or I might see this as bringing it in from 2024 but it’s political weasel words to say no it’s being brought in in 2025 just with look back.
My point being that it won't matter for the 24/25 school year.25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
TownIdiot said:
My point being that it won't matter for the 24/25 school year.
25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
I hear you but if they announced anti-forestalling measures it could be that 24/25 are within the scope of VAT. 25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
CS Garth said:
TownIdiot said:
My point being that it won't matter for the 24/25 school year.
25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
I hear you but if they announced anti-forestalling measures it could be that 24/25 are within the scope of VAT. 25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
Louis Balfour said:
CS Garth said:
TownIdiot said:
My point being that it won't matter for the 24/25 school year.
25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
I hear you but if they announced anti-forestalling measures it could be that 24/25 are within the scope of VAT. 25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-time-...
CS Garth said:
Louis Balfour said:
CS Garth said:
TownIdiot said:
My point being that it won't matter for the 24/25 school year.
25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
I hear you but if they announced anti-forestalling measures it could be that 24/25 are within the scope of VAT. 25/26 and beyond would be a gamble, and I'd imagine it is really very rare to pay multiple years in advance.
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-time-...
Louis Balfour said:
Sure, but Labour has said that VAT won't be introduced until September 2025. There is no forestalling if fees are paid in 2024 for the 2024-2025 school year, as far as I am aware.
This story is from 3 hours ago. If Labour win VAT will be applied from the time of their first budget in September 2024 facilitated by anti-forestalling measures. https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-to-close-vat-...
CS Garth said:
This story is from 3 hours ago. If Labour win VAT will be applied from the time of their first budget in September 2024 facilitated by anti-forestalling measures.
https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-to-close-vat-...
Applying to fees from school year 25/26 onwardshttps://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-to-close-vat-...
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