Private schools, times a changing?
Discussion
u-boat said:
It still hasn’t been clarified whether these changes cover specialist schools like performing arts schools.
These aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
Bound to be exempt. I can imagine there being an exemption for “special” schools where special = not somewhere where “rich Tory bThese aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
ds” send their children.Louis Balfour said:
u-boat said:
It still hasn’t been clarified whether these changes cover specialist schools like performing arts schools.
These aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
Bound to be exempt. I can imagine there being an exemption for “special” schools where special = not somewhere where “rich Tory bThese aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
ds” send their children.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqq46x068xo
Labour and people here can frame it any way they like but it is just pure spite and nothing more. Perhaps they should tax the PCP white audis and range rovers at state schools as that is the choice of those parents?
Louis Balfour said:
u-boat said:
It still hasn’t been clarified whether these changes cover specialist schools like performing arts schools.
These aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
Bound to be exempt. I can imagine there being an exemption for “special” schools where special = not somewhere where “rich Tory bThese aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
ds” send their children.macron said:
Louis Balfour said:
u-boat said:
It still hasn’t been clarified whether these changes cover specialist schools like performing arts schools.
These aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
Bound to be exempt. I can imagine there being an exemption for “special” schools where special = not somewhere where “rich Tory bThese aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
ds” send their children.macron said:
Louis Balfour said:
u-boat said:
It still hasn’t been clarified whether these changes cover specialist schools like performing arts schools.
These aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
Bound to be exempt. I can imagine there being an exemption for “special” schools where special = not somewhere where “rich Tory bThese aren’t full of rich kids either and are based entirely on ability and also offer plenty of scholarships but I’m sure the chippy types will have it in for those kids and their parents also.
ds” send their children.I may be wrong, obvs.
Ascayman said:
borcy said:
GT03ROB said:
TownIdiot said:
It seems pretty unlikely that any vat will impact those in the armed forces, as most of it will be paid for by the government.
So between this & additional costs for state education, this really isn't raising much is it. Best Labour just call this for what it is. Ideological & envy politics.
NDA said:
I imagine that those with children in private education are in the top 10% of income earners - a group that already pays over 50% of all tax collected. It always makes me laugh when I hear socialists banging on about 'those with the broadest shoulders should pay more'. Unfortunately this important 10% of taxpayers is not a big enough group to prevent more taxation. If students weren't quite so militant, universities would have VAT applied too.
Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
What's worth noting is that they aren't the top 10% but just a subset of it and not that large a one. By spending a large part of their income on educating members of the next generation they are potentially taking some quite low income earners (not all private school children are smart by any means and many parents plumb for paying as a result of birthing someone not particularly intelligent) and giving them the best chance to pay vast amounts of tax in their adult life. Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
Meanwhile the state system is where the majority of the children of that top 10% are educated and where the tax paying prospects of future adults are damaged very heavily by sub par parents and sub par teachers, yet some in society prefer not to address the ongoing problem of these sub par adults but go looking for others to blame.
The state school system requires a huge and ongoing injection of cash, more so than the NHS where the majority of customers have had an entire adult working life to have looked after themselves and chosen not to, with many opting to lug about several stone of lard for decades which others then have to pay for the heart, stroke and joint medication for. What the state system needs beyond this cash is the desire to be as good as the private alternative which would see fewer customers choosing private over state in the first instance. I really don't see why means tested fees shouldn't be applied to the state system.
DonkeyApple said:
NDA said:
I imagine that those with children in private education are in the top 10% of income earners - a group that already pays over 50% of all tax collected. It always makes me laugh when I hear socialists banging on about 'those with the broadest shoulders should pay more'. Unfortunately this important 10% of taxpayers is not a big enough group to prevent more taxation. If students weren't quite so militant, universities would have VAT applied too.
Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
What's worth noting is that they aren't the top 10% but just a subset of it and not that large a one. By spending a large part of their income on educating members of the next generation they are potentially taking some quite low income earners (not all private school children are smart by any means and many parents plumb for paying as a result of birthing someone not particularly intelligent) and giving them the best chance to pay vast amounts of tax in their adult life. Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
Meanwhile the state system is where the majority of the children of that top 10% are educated and where the tax paying prospects of future adults are damaged very heavily by sub par parents and sub par teachers, yet some in society prefer not to address the ongoing problem of these sub par adults but go looking for others to blame.
The state school system requires a huge and ongoing injection of cash, more so than the NHS where the majority of customers have had an entire adult working life to have looked after themselves and chosen not to, with many opting to lug about several stone of lard for decades which others then have to pay for the heart, stroke and joint medication for. What the state system needs beyond this cash is the desire to be as good as the private alternative which would see fewer customers choosing private over state in the first instance. I really don't see why means tested fees shouldn't be applied to the state system.
But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
Tom8 said:
Er, you do know that private schools have entrance exams and children have to reach a standard to enter? I think they call it "selective".
But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
They do have entrance exams but whether they set their bar to accept only the intelligent is a business decision. Many do not and some specifically cater for the children who wouldn't get into the academic ones. These latter ones used to referred to as 'sporting schools'. And they often didn't field particularly excellent sporting sides at events either. But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
Schools will also make the commercial decision to let in children who have failed their commons entrance exam if that child is the offspring of an alumni, a family of name or if a smart enough sibling is already in attendance. And don't forget that with prep schools they're interviewing the parents not the child.
When I was sitting CE, many moons ago, the fall back school for us was Harrow who had a much lower pass mark and if things went terribly wrong then people ended up at Stowe or Shiplake. Our nearest school out here doesn't select at all on academia in reality but the number of ponies and amount of land or they'd have no clients.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 18th June 11:18
Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 18th June 11:19
DonkeyApple said:
Tom8 said:
Er, you do know that private schools have entrance exams and children have to reach a standard to enter? I think they call it "selective".
But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
They do have entrance exams but whether they set their bar to accept only the intelligent is a business decision. Many do not and some specifically cater for the children who wouldn't get into the academic ones. These latter ones used to referred to as 'sporting schools'. And they often didn't field particularly excellent sporting sides at events either. But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
Schools will also make the commercial decision to let in children who have failed their commons entrance exam if that child is the offspring of an alumni, a family of name or if a smart enough sibling is already in attendance. And don't forget that with prep schools they're interviewing the parents not the child.
When I was sitting CE, many moons ago, the fall back school for us was Harrow who had a much lower pass mark and if things went terribly wrong then people ended up at Stowe or Shiplake. Our nearest school out here doesn't select at all on academia in reality but the number of ponies and amount of land or they'd have no clients.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 18th June 11:18
Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 18th June 11:19
Failed Eton here, ended up at Stowe, as did many others.Tom8 said:
DonkeyApple said:
NDA said:
I imagine that those with children in private education are in the top 10% of income earners - a group that already pays over 50% of all tax collected. It always makes me laugh when I hear socialists banging on about 'those with the broadest shoulders should pay more'. Unfortunately this important 10% of taxpayers is not a big enough group to prevent more taxation. If students weren't quite so militant, universities would have VAT applied too.
Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
What's worth noting is that they aren't the top 10% but just a subset of it and not that large a one. By spending a large part of their income on educating members of the next generation they are potentially taking some quite low income earners (not all private school children are smart by any means and many parents plumb for paying as a result of birthing someone not particularly intelligent) and giving them the best chance to pay vast amounts of tax in their adult life. Private education is not about 'privilege' , it's about choice. Economic freedom is not something that socialism can support.
Meanwhile the state system is where the majority of the children of that top 10% are educated and where the tax paying prospects of future adults are damaged very heavily by sub par parents and sub par teachers, yet some in society prefer not to address the ongoing problem of these sub par adults but go looking for others to blame.
The state school system requires a huge and ongoing injection of cash, more so than the NHS where the majority of customers have had an entire adult working life to have looked after themselves and chosen not to, with many opting to lug about several stone of lard for decades which others then have to pay for the heart, stroke and joint medication for. What the state system needs beyond this cash is the desire to be as good as the private alternative which would see fewer customers choosing private over state in the first instance. I really don't see why means tested fees shouldn't be applied to the state system.
But you are right, if the state system was any good, people wouldn't feel compelled to spend large sums of money to take their children out of it. Paying school fees is far from a pleasure.
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