Missing sister - help me find her car?

[skwdenyer]

Nige321 said:

I'm so sorry this lady hasn't een found.

One thing that strikes me as odd is the amount of Police secrecy surrounding giving information to the family.
I'm sure they have their reasons, but the search isn't part of a criminal trial, why are the so coy...??

To be clear, they’re coy about divulging methods and assets that might also be used to search for criminals. I don’t think that’s unreasonable, however frustrating sometimes.

[Janluke]

Something that occurred to me the other day and I'm sure its been considered but you mentioned the road in past the Roundhouse being the only road in and out but there is a forest drive (Carrick) that links onto a pubic road so it would be possible to get in or out of that area without going back past the Roundhouse camera

I'm sure you know that but thought it was worth a post

[skwdenyer]

Janluke said:

Something that occurred to me the other day and I'm sure its been considered but you mentioned the road in past the Roundhouse being the only road in and out but there is a forest drive (Carrick) that links onto a pubic road so it would be possible to get in or out of that area without going back past the Roundhouse camera

I'm sure you know that but thought it was worth a post

Thanks. The Forest Drive has been closed (gated, locked) for some time, it seems. It *used* to be open at certain times of year, but was definitely not open last year.

[Wheel Turned Out]

There have been times I've caught myself thinking how difficult it must be to disappear without a trace these days. This is a timely reminder of what a crushingly naïve position that is.

Deepest condolences for you and for the rest of the family. Grief is mostly manageable, grief entwined with no semblance of closure is torturous.

[caseys]

skwdenyer said:

Nevertheless, this terrain has been searched extensively out to about 900 metres radius from where her car was found. To search fully the potential area (2 hours' walk, so say up to 5 miles' radius) is an area of over 200 million square metres, of which about 75% is land which can be properly and completely searched in metre-wide strips at the rate of as low as 2000 square metres per hour. Even at 4000 sq m / hr, that's 37,500 man-hours, or over 20 man years (working full time hours with breaks).

….

Now, if anyone has any friends at the NSA or similar who could get me access to really high-resolution satellite imagery for specific dates, that would be terrific...

Firstly condolences that you are still going through this.

Just putting my IT hat on, which has included learning off some search and rescue projects down here,
Coastal erosion mapping and concepts of looking out for wildfires via drones and IR cams also with experience in AI, notably computer vision… mainly for identifying defects and identifying people doing various movements.

From your drone shots and the math you’ve done on the expanded search area, how long would it take to map such an area at given heights with a reasonable resolution? Either stitching imagery together or flying over doing video at a decent fps?

As I wonder if it could be analysed. You’d have analytics look at frames and give a predictive score as to if there is something in the image that isn’t forest.

You could then flag these up and either again go through another round of analysis or potentially look to something cruder like a mechanical Turk https://www.mturk.com/ but those costs can scale up to be expensive.

Have done projects where we’ve done analysis on identifying people in video. Admittedly moving, but it’s amazing what you can throw at it now and it can identify a person and even show which way fingers are pointing. It’s quite computer intensive to analyse video (you’d be lucky to get more than 4-8x speed on a very meaty set of GPU). Openpose is the software have been mainly dabbling with (https://cmu-perceptual-computing-lab.github.io/openpose/web/html/doc/)


I imagine it could be a lot of video data. You’d have to film as you say previously in ideal conditions. Either slowly or at a great resolution and fps to avoid much blur. But then that means a lot of data.

I don’t have NSA access, I do wonder if anyone I know in gchq has anything, not that they may tell me

[Catweazle]

skwdenyer said:

NRG1976 said:

Sad to read this. I wonder if a drone, equipped with a metal detector, could pick up any car keys etc. should they be lurking in the undergrowth?

That’s a lovely idea. I did idly look up “long range metal detectors” a few months ago; all I found were scammers selling divining rods for prospecting.

Is there genuinely a long range metal detector tech that’s drone flyable?

Ukraine are deploying this for mine detection.

https://x.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1803925892722...

[dudleybloke]

Would LIDAR be any use?

[sherman]

dudleybloke said:

Would LIDAR be any use?

That was my thougts too.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

sherman said:

Try contacting one of the BIG universities.
Their archelogy deptartments more than likely have a LIDAR equipped drone or know who has one.
The LIDAR can scan the ground removing the trees and vegitation from the picture and leave all the undulations on the ground.

It could give you a shape to aim for to narrow the search.

I know this was a few days ago but agree with this - or Google any topo survey company who do land surveys in advance of engineering works. We use lidar drone surveys before we build/widen roads and the information is surprisingly accurate. I'll try and find out who we have used before and update this post.

Must be awful, my utter heartfelt sympathies and I can't imagine how hard it must be to want/need to find something, just for it to potentially confirm the worst news possible. Stay strong.

[Janluke]

Came across an article about "under water sniffer dogs". There was one based in Scotland but unfortunately no longer with us. A quick search suggests, while not common, they are available

https://www.searchdogsuk.co.uk/water_search_dogs/

Sorry again if I'm suggesting an avenue you've already explored

[Megaflow]

Janluke said:

Came across an article about "under water sniffer dogs". There was one based in Scotland but unfortunately no longer with us. A quick search suggests, while not common, they are available

https://www.searchdogsuk.co.uk/water_search_dogs/

Sorry again if I'm suggesting an avenue you've already explored

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

[blueg33]

Megaflow said:

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

That theory has been known t o be wrong for some time.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

Megaflow said:

Janluke said:

Came across an article about "under water sniffer dogs". There was one based in Scotland but unfortunately no longer with us. A quick search suggests, while not common, they are available

https://www.searchdogsuk.co.uk/water_search_dogs/

Sorry again if I'm suggesting an avenue you've already explored

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

I've mentioned this before in another thread, but when we did the Claudia Lawrence search I happened to get chatting with a SARDA handler. At the time I'd started the initial training with my Lab so was obviously interested.

He told me one of their dogs had found a missing trawler in 10s of meters of water. It was sat in the front of a rib as it conducted a search pattern. Incredible animals.

[Greendubber]

TGCOTF-dewey said:

Megaflow said:

Janluke said:

Came across an article about "under water sniffer dogs". There was one based in Scotland but unfortunately no longer with us. A quick search suggests, while not common, they are available

https://www.searchdogsuk.co.uk/water_search_dogs/

Sorry again if I'm suggesting an avenue you've already explored

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

I've mentioned this before in another thread, but when we did the Claudia Lawrence search I happened to get chatting with a SARDA handler. At the time I'd started the initial training with my Lab so was obviously interested.

He told me one of their dogs had found a missing trawler in 10s of meters of water. It was sat in the front of a rib as it conducted a search pattern. Incredible animals.

We've used them for water search too, have them on the bow and work your pattern. We've never had a find by one but I know other forces have. As you say, fantastic animals.

[GliderRider]

blueg33 said:

Megaflow said:

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

That theory has been known t o be wrong for some time.

From what I have read, underwater sniffer dogs are sniffing for the gasses rising from decomposing bodies, so someone wading through a river and still being alive to climb out on the other side is not going to give the same clues an underwater corpse would. I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong.

[Yertis]

TGCOTF-dewey said:

He told me one of their dogs had found a missing trawler in 10s of meters of water. It was sat in the front of a rib as it conducted a search pattern. Incredible animals.

Suddenly this makes more sense.

O/T Didn't there used to be a :dunce: smiley?

[Greendubber]

GliderRider said:

blueg33 said:

Megaflow said:

Say what… under water sniffer dogs… the blows the movie theory of crossing water screws up sniffer dogs!

That theory has been known t o be wrong for some time.

From what I have read, underwater sniffer dogs are sniffing for the gasses rising from decomposing bodies, so someone wading through a river and still being alive to climb out on the other side is not going to give the same clues an underwater corpse would. I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong.

Correct, they're not actually under the water

[Mezzanine]

Yertis said:

TGCOTF-dewey said:

He told me one of their dogs had found a missing trawler in 10s of meters of water. It was sat in the front of a rib as it conducted a search pattern. Incredible animals.

Suddenly this makes more sense.

O/T Didn't there used to be a :dunce: smiley?

Don’t worry you aren’t the only one.

I know dogs are amazing but…

[Mammasaid]

I see that the news outlets are also running an update;

https://cumbriacrack.com/2024/06/26/kendal-mum-mis...

Fingers crossed and all that.

[2HFL]

Somehow I have only just seen this thread and, like every other member who has posted prior, I’m so sorry for your situation OP, you and your family have my utmost sympathy.

Given the distinctive nature of her clothing/backpack, as well as her hair colour, I can only imagine how disheartening it must be that there have been no sightings of her whatsoever to date.

Just a random thought (and apologies if discussed already), is there a chance her car key has a transponder in and can these be identified in any way, for example would it submit a signal of sorts, if it’s in this area still? Appreciate it would be a needle in a haystack scenario though.

ETA - I don’t think anyone has asked but what was behind her recently dying her hair purple? Was this out of character and would it be perceived as unusual behaviour for her?

Edited by 2HFL on Saturday 29th June 01:57